Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermorehttp://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/3357/puckfaq.htm
Q. Is it true that Puck knew Wolverine before he became a part of Alpha Flight?
in an incident in Maracaibo. Since then, Larry Hama has gone on to ret-con this with a story in Wolverine's own title about Judd and Wolvie in WW2 Spain. Ernest Hemingway guest stars in that story.
A. Given that both Judd and Logan have a history in espionage, it is likely that the both of them have met before. However, this is not the case as Logan only knew of Judd in #17 and only then through recognising Judd's [B]"signature"Its not an official site but it further reinforces my point and its well researched. Note the speech marks around signature indicating that its not literially a signature, where therefore means he must have been talking about scent. [/B]
Signiture remains to be ambiguous as hell, there's both an actual signiture and a pic taken during that story arc, and your unofficial "evidence" even says it's been retconned. 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
Signiture remains to be ambiguous as hell, there's both an actual signiture and a pic taken during that story arc,
They were talking about scents, the word signature has been used as a way of descrbing somebodies new features. I wanna see this pic or im not taken your word for it.
Originally posted by jinzin
and your unofficial "evidence" even says it's been retconned. 😬
Actually im confused about what was retconned exactly.
Here's the scan in question:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFLight_17_18.jpg
Originally posted by jinzin
True.
Wolverine can pick up Pucks scent in an entire city when he shouldn't be able to pin him down at all, but Punisher's got his number in that damned wherehouse. 🙄
When he do that? I seriously don't remember
EDIT: The reason I think Puck may go undected is maybe his magic influence? Either way it hasn't been explained to fully being skill or something else
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Here's the scan in question:http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFLight_17_18.jpg
When he do that? I seriously don't remember
EDIT: The reason I think Puck may go undected is maybe his magic influence? Either way it hasn't been explained to fully being skill or something else
in the same scan, the last panel Wolverine indicates that he was able to pick out Puck by his "signature". What's meant by that is up to debate; and I'm gonna have to go back and gander through Hama's run to see anything there.
BTW: I agree with you, it seems to be a problem with magical characters, Wendigo, Sas, and GR included to name a few.
When he said signature I'm almost positive it relates to his military signature ie. combat training. Also that scan hasn't been fully retconned out though, it's referenced in the handbooks and referenced later in the series. Just the part that it was their first encounter was retconned.
Magic would explain it, but we just don't know sadly
Originally posted by Sado22I was also so lighten up. See, it's not so funny when you're not sure if it's a joke.
dude, i'm joking with him and he knows it. that's why he's not responding.
Originally posted by Sado22Warned for inciting an insurrection.
lets all just get together and flame badabing....this way he's sure to close this thread 😠
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Originally posted by jinzin
in the same scan, the last panel Wolverine indicates that he was able to pick out Puck by his "signature". What's meant by that is up to debate; and I'm gonna have to go back and gander through Hama's run to see anything there.BTW: I agree with you, it seems to be a problem with magical characters, Wendigo, Sas, and GR included to name a few.
Anyway it doesnt matter becsue if he couldnt sense Puck he would be able to sense the jet if he has a stronger sense of smell than DD....and yes his sense of smell would be able to detect the vicinity of the jet and would have realised he had to duck.
Originally posted by jinzin
Even though the jet might be upwind, even though the jet is moving at an untold speed, even though if he did it would read to his senses like an alpha flight jet and not a threat...
Ok check this out.....if his sense of smell is greater than DDs he would eb able to smell it because DD was able to smell gunpower from a gun 2BLOCKS AWAY....and his snse of smell was being screwed up at the time.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah "IF" only his sense of smell was superior to DD's. I mean DD's only admitted Logan's is superior to his TWICE. 🙄
When has Wolverine ever been able to smell gunpowder 2 blocks away????? Hell DD has also said Spiderman moved so fast that he could hardly keep a bead on him.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHe has a radar sense, he would of course be more alert to something that isn't kosher and thus know to look for something odd before hand.
Ok check this out.....if his sense of smell is greater than DDs he would eb able to smell it because DD was able to smell gunpower from a gun 2BLOCKS AWAY....and his snse of smell was being screwed up at the time.When has Wolverine ever been able to smell gunpowder 2 blocks away????? Hell DD has also said Spiderman moved so fast that he could hardly keep a bead on him.
Gunpowder? Are you aware of how many American homes have a gun in them? Over 40%. Something like 10% of all American's carry them on their person.
And we've already been over this, WINTER SOLDIER PREPPED FOR WOLVERINE'S SENSES which is why he dressed up in ink. He would have been inclined to do the same for his sniper.
And again, there are too many variables that are not accounted for to compare those two events and say that Daredevil's is better in spite of what Daredevil already admitted to.. TWICE.
When they have both been put in the same situation Wolverine's senses stood out as better.
What did that last part have to do with anything?
Look, Wolverine's fought opponents using smell alone, he's fought in the dark using smell alone, he's fought blindfolded using smell alone, he was able to track the Native in the Canadian wilderness when Sabreooth couldn't USING SMELL ALONE.. you trying to argue that Daredevil has a better ofactory sense than Wolverine in spite of not one but TWO admissions to the contrary is ludicrus.
But, I guess that's nothing new for you.
And what did that last part have to do with anything?
Originally posted by jinzinHe's harping on an instance where DD smelled gunpowder two blocks away. And he wants you to prove that wolverine did the same exact thing and risks commiting an Ad ignorantium fallacy and an argument from silence.
He has a radar sense, he would of course be more alert to something that isn't kosher and thus know to look for something odd before hand.Gunpowder? Are you aware of how many American homes have a gun in them? Over 40%. Something like 10% of all American's carry them on their person.
And we've already been over this, WINTER SOLDIER PREPPED FOR WOLVERINE'S SENSES which is why he dressed up in ink. He would have been inclined to do the same for his sniper.
And again, there are too many variables that are not accounted for to compare those two events and say that Daredevil's is better in spite of what Daredevil already admitted to.. TWICE.
When they have both been put in the same situation Wolverine's senses stood out as better.
What did that last part have to do with anything?
Look, Wolverine's fought opponents using smell alone, he's fought in the dark using smell alone, he's fought blindfolded using smell alone, he was able to track the Native in the Canadian wilderness when Sabreooth couldn't USING SMELL ALONE.. you trying to argue that Daredevil has a better ofactory sense than Wolverine in spite of not one but TWO admissions to the contrary is ludicrus.
But, I guess that's nothing new for you.
And what did that last part have to do with anything?
That being "If wolverine couldn't(although its simply hasn't) do what DD did this one time, his senses are not as good as DDs"
Originally posted by Creshosk
He's harping on an instance where DD smelled gunpowder two blocks away. And he wants you to prove that wolverine did the same exact thing and risks commiting an Ad ignorantium fallacy and an argument from silence.That being "If wolverine couldn't(although its simply hasn't) do what DD did this one time, his senses are not as good as DDs"
AND WHAT DID THAT LAST PART HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!?!??!?!?!
Originally posted by jinzinYou mean the "Hell DD has also said Spiderman moved so fast that he could hardly keep a bead on him." part?
AND WHAT DID THAT LAST PART HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!?!??!?!?!
I think he's trying to destroy DD's credibility thus invalidating where DD admits that Wolverine's senses are better.
That's all I can figure from his saying that while trying to disprove one of DD's statements.
Looking at it from an objective viewpoint, there's no question that Wolverine has the better sense of smell.
Now on that note, I would say Daredevil has better hearing. However, Logan has done some of the same tricks with his hearing that Matt has done. For instance, listening to another's heart beat to sense if they were lying or not.
Yeah I wouldn't assume that Wolverine's hearing would be something he'd have over Matt.
Matt has said that training can heighten the sense of hearing and it's been shown by him, stick, AND iron fist.
Logan's been a creature of sight and smell. I'm sure he could tap into his mutant powers a lot more and have a sense of hearing well above daredevil's but as it stands now not so much.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm sure he could tap into his mutant powers a lot more and have a sense of hearing well above daredevil's but as it stands now not so much.
I highly doubt it. Logan has enhanced hearing akin to a cat or a dog. DD has superhearing which is quite beyond what Logan is capable of.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
I highly doubt it. Logan has enhanced hearing akin to a cat or a dog. DD has superhearing which is quite beyond what Logan is capable of.
I just said that DD's was better...
But Beyond what Logan is capable of? Nah, not when Iron Fist can hear sweat falling down a person's cheek from 20 feet away.
