That's my point, beyond some speculative writing and Phantom Zone's fantasies it doesn't really appear that he IS powered down to any noticeable degree.
Meh, they're okay. Origins is nice because Way actually writes a great Deadpool, his main title is well written in dialogue and monologue but it's pretty "meh" in plot.
So how long is it gonna take em to kill this account?
What did you even get restricted for in the first place?
Originally posted by jinzin
Why do you continue to ignore the circumstances of that "feat"?Are you just ignoring it to be subjective or have you seriously missed out everytime it's been explained to you?
Wolverine got dropped by what's likely to be hundreds and hundreds of bullets. Not just a few or a couple. Beyond that he got put down in a desert environment which weakens his healing factor as was stated back in Wolverine vol.1.
Then we have him get up in one panel from a bullet in his brain? That's faster than even Sabretooth himself was able to recover from Wolverine puncturing his skull 3 years ago when he was fighting off Supermen and taking Sas punches to the face. 😬
Then this huge battle that he just had with Deadpool. Kinda shows that it's gonna take more than a few bullets to drop Logan if you ask me. 😐
Please post the scans of what happened in the desert and the issue number please. I'll respond to the post later.
Originally posted by jinzin
That's my point, beyond some speculative writing and Phantom Zone's fantasies it doesn't really appear that he IS powered down to any noticeable degree.Meh, they're okay. Origins is nice because Way actually writes a great Deadpool, his main title is well written in dialogue and monologue but it's pretty "meh" in plot.
So how long is it gonna take em to kill this account?
What did you even get restricted for in the first place?
I actually don't like Deadpool in Origins.
um...can't wolverine just shadow stalk punisher(not saying he has to)and when he gets close enough slit his trachea?
I'm pretty sure this fight won't take place in a meadow or something pleasant, usually they take place in dark alleys or factories, wolverine's usual hunting ground.
whatever, frank is screwed no matter how you slice it (pun heavily intended)
Originally posted by Ha-SonDoubtful. Phantom Zone doesn't read the comics about what he argues against.
Did you even bother reading the comic prior to what happened before he got shot?
The way he makes spiderman's spidersense out to be it only goes off as the danger is occuring rather than going off before the danger occurs.
Makes me wish I could get brainchild in here to school him... or maybe Digi.
Of course he thought that Punisher with a few stipulations that he didn't understand could take on Apokolips without knowing anything about Darkseid or the things he was stipulating.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not with 1hrs prep. Not when hes done well against Wolverine WITHOUT prep in NON-EINNIS fights. Everybody agrees that without prep he loses 8-9/10 to Wolverine.
How many non-ENNIS fights have they had? Who's "everybody" again?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well again I dont know what to say. Its just another example if you disagree with something on panel because you dont like it. Stu said:1. They shut him down.
2. Hes also a genuis. Thats the whole bloody point of being a genuis in comic books you're able to do the impossible.
What am I disagreeing with that was on-panel? All Clarke said was that he'd been gathering anything he could get his hands on since being pursued by G.W. Bridge and SHIELD. It doesn't say anywhere when he'd first acquired the armory and weapons within it. His being a genius does not negate the fact that he only had four days, while tending to badly-beaten Frank. Too much to do, too little time. Besides, he goes on to mention in Punisher War Journal #12 he's had workshops/armories all over the city. That only strengthens my argument for his having access to the SHIELD armory before the Punisher came crashing through his skylight.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You do realise that if you want a book from the library you may not be able to get it because somebody else is using it? There are alot of X-men and somebody else could be using the jets even if he wanted to use it. Thats not the case with Punisher.
Libraries usually have several copies of different books. What are the odds all copies of the same book are going to be checked out? It happens, sure, when a class assigns a report on a specific subject. In this case, the Blackbirds would be the books, the X-teams the class, and a major catastrophe requiring the efforts of all 3 X-Men teams would be the report. Honestly, when was the last time that happened? And for that matter, when was the last time they used all 3 Blackbirds at once? They usually travel in one...
And somebody else could be using the last remaining Blackbird? So what was all that crap you were saying about them not for personal use and asking permission and such?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im saying it does not have to be a last resort but it can be a better option. No I dont see him using a pizza instead of a gun but theres nothing wrong him using a suit if he thinks it can get the job done.1. He doesnt always face people like Mung and Rhino.
2. Hes only just met Stu, im pretty sure that Microchip gave him tech thats hes never used before didnt stop him from using it.
It doesn't matter if his encounters with metahuman villains and aliens aren't as frequent as his campaigns against normal criminals. Your point is they get the job done better, faster, and with less risk to the Punisher, and he'll use whatever he can to make his job easier.... So why do we find Frank in his traditional uniform and not always in some kind of state-of-the-art armor? Why isn't he always armed with the Satan Claw or something just as advanced?
Because the Punisher utilizes what he knows best and feels most comfortable with, and that's conventional weaponry. It makes no difference if he's only known Stuart for a short while. They're partners working together. It's in their best interest to keep Castle armed to the teeth with hi-tech stuff, but clearly that isn't the case. Castle will only resort to using crap he's not familiar with if there's not much choice.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Already made my points.
And they weren't enough to convince most of the people participating in this thread. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Brilliant still deosnt change the fact that alot of people on this thread agree with my opinion. *shrug*
Many more disagree with your opinion... including the socks. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If you actually read the thread you havent even made any new points but you're acting like you've made a difference to this thread.
No? I thought I busted your balls rather well.
Did somebody else mention Wolverine's healing factor does not cancel out any pain? Did anyone else break down why the SHIELD weapons won't work on Logan the way they worked on Rhino the way I did? Anyone else bring up Wolverine using the Blackbird, or any weapons or technology belonging to the X-Men that he might have access to?
Perhaps.
Perhaps I didn't make a difference in this thread.... seeing as how Jinzin, Creshosk, and the others already had the debate won.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So...what you're telling me is that eventhough he currently gets taken, down by bullets thats all rubbish because Jean Grey said something about his tolerance for pain? I dont know what to say really, hes been shown on panel non-einnis having trouble with bullets. I hate to break it to you when somebody has feats you have to look at his overall career Wolverine has taken class 100 shots and been hurt by much less.... [B]but currently he gets dropped by bullets so what Jean Grey said doesnt mean a goddamn thing. [/B]
Dropped? Sure.
Stayed down? Nope.
That quote DOES indeed mean a God-damned thing or two. You keep running your mouth about Wolverine's healing factor being reduced. And it has. Thing is, that just means it takes longer for him to repair damage done to him and is no longer at instant regeneration levels. That desert scene involved more bullets than Castle can fire off by himself. They shot him from damned near all directions. They launched his ass off a cliff, and then left him to bake, dehydrate, and die in the scorching desert. He survived just fine, but it just took him longer to recover. Castle will be hard-pressed to do just as much damage before Wolverine guts him.
The healing factor allows him to take more damage and keep fighting, but it is not the be-all-end-all of Wolverine's overall durability--- his Adamantium skeleton and inhuman tolerance for pain should be getting the credit there. As a few others before me have already said, a reduced healing factor didn't really hinder Wolverine much in Origins.
Taking account into what I just explained about his durability and healing factor, and seeing as how he's been shown to withstand gunshots more often than not, and withstand punches of some of Marvel's strongest at a time when his healing factor wasn't really all that..... Castle. Is. Screwed.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
How many non-ENNIS fights have they had? Who's "everybody" again?
At least two. One non-einnis fight he did well at, thats when he was injured. In fact he did well in both fights without prep so thats why I say he gets the majority with prep. Its not a hard concept to understand. Since Punisher has also done well without Einnis you cant complain about Punisher being shot and dropped in Einnis stories. Therefore the Einnis stories count.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
What am I disagreeing with that was on-panel? All Clarke said was that he'd been gathering anything he could get his hands on since being pursued by G.W. Bridge and SHIELD. It doesn't say anywhere when he'd first acquired the armory and weapons within it. His being a genius does not negate the fact that he only had four days, while
tending to badly-beaten Frank. Too much to do, too little time. Besides, he goes on to mention in Punisher War Journal #12 he's had workshops/armories all over the city. That only strengthens my argument for his having access to the SHIELD armory before the Punisher came crashing through his skylight.Libraries usually have several copies of different books. What are the odds all copies of the same book are going to be checked out? It happens, sure, when a class assigns a report on a specific subject. In this case, the Blackbirds would be the books, the X-teams the class, and a major catastrophe requiring the efforts of all 3 X-Men teams would be the report. Honestly, when was the last time that happened? And for that matter, when was the last time they used all 3 Blackbirds at once? They usually travel in one...
And somebody else could be using the last remaining Blackbird? So what was all that crap you were saying about them not for personal use and asking permission and such?
Ok fair enough but obvouly hes not going to use the Blackbird.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
It doesn't matter if his encounters with metahuman villains and aliens aren't as frequent as his campaigns against normal criminals. Your point is they get the job done better, faster, and with less risk to the Punisher, and he'll use whatever he can to make his job easier.... So why do we find Frank in his traditional uniform and not always in some kind of state-of-the-art armor? Why isn't he always armed with the Satan Claw or something just as advanced?Because the Punisher utilizes what he knows best and feels most comfortable with, and that's conventional weaponry. It makes no difference if he's only known Stuart for a short while. They're partners working together. It's in their best interest to keep Castle armed to the teeth with hi-tech stuff, but clearly that isn't the case. Castle will only resort to using crap he's not familiar with if there's not much choice.
Of course it matters because who Franks armourer affects what equipment hes going to use. Again im pretty sure Microchip has given Punisher equimpent he hasnt used before but he still used it. Why? So now he has Stu he may use different equipment.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
And they weren't enough to convince most of the people participating in this thread. 😐Many more disagree with your opinion... including the socks. 😖hifty:
No? I thought I busted your balls rather well.
So doesnt mean im wrong.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Did somebody else mention Wolverine's healing factor does not cancel out any pain? Did anyone else break down why the SHIELD weapons won't work on Logan the way they worked on Rhino the way I did? Anyone else bring up Wolverine using the Blackbird, or any weapons or technology belonging to the X-Men that he might have access to?Perhaps.
Perhaps I didn't make a difference in this thread.... seeing as how Jinzin, Creshosk, and the others already had the debate won.
.
They havent won anything.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Dropped? Sure.Stayed down? Nope.
Right so I need to explain to you that when hes on the ground Punisher is just going to stand there and let him get up?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
That quote DOES indeed mean a God-damned thing or two. You keep running your mouth about Wolverine's healing factor being reduced. And it has. Thing is, that just means it takes longer for him to repair damage done to him and is no longer at instant regeneration levels.
So I need to explain the significance of this? You cant figure that out for yourself?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
That desert scene involved more bullets than Castle can fire off by himself. They shot him from damned near all directions. They launched his ass off a cliff, and then left him to bake, dehydrate, and die in the scorching desert. He survived just fine, but it just took him longer to recover. Castle will be hard-pressed to do just as much damage before Wolverine guts him.
They were not in the desert when Frank Castle dropped him....so that changes nothing. Hell theres another instance where Bushwacker was shooting Wolverine and he had to duck under a truck because he was getting shot too many times, that was in the city and not the desert. Theres also him getting dropped by a gunshot to the head by DP that was not in the desert either that was recent as well so yes currently he gets dropped by bullets.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
The healing factor allows him to take more damage and keep fighting, but it is not the be-all-end-all of Wolverine's overall durability--- his Adamantium skeleton and inhuman tolerance for pain should be getting the credit there. As a few others before me have already said, a reduced healing factor didn't really hinder Wolverine much in Origins.
That might be the case but he has different showings. There are examples of him doing worse with a full HF and having the advantage.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Taking account into what I just explained about his durability and healing factor, and seeing as how he's been shown to withstand gunshots more often than not, and withstand punches of some of Marvel's strongest at a time when his healing factor wasn't really all that..... Castle. Is. Screwed.
Not really because when it comes down to guns you will notice those people who are experts at using guns are able to do better against Wolverine. Hell MA experts have been shown to be able to hurt Wolverine eventhough hes taken class 100 shots. The samething could be said for gun experts. Even if bullets cant stop him they should slow him down.
It depends on how he uses the gun and what bullets he uses eg a armour pierecing bullets will do more damage, he has missle launchers and grenades, he can use sonics and posion he can mask his scent ete etc etc. Also his nutsack has been shown to be a weakness again and again.
Originally posted by jinzin
Why do you continue to ignore the circumstances of that "feat"?Are you just ignoring it to be subjective or have you seriously missed out everytime it's been explained to you?
Wolverine got dropped by what's likely to be hundreds and hundreds of bullets. Not just a few or a couple. Beyond that he got put down in a desert environment which weakens his healing factor as was stated back in Wolverine vol.1.
Then we have him get up in one panel from a bullet in his brain? That's faster than even Sabretooth himself was able to recover from Wolverine puncturing his skull 3 years ago when he was fighting off Supermen and taking Sas punches to the face. 😬
Ive posted two other examples of him having troubles with bullets outside a desert envinronment.
Originally posted by jinzin
Then this huge battle that he just had with Deadpool. Kinda shows that it's gonna take more than a few bullets to drop Logan if you ask me. 😐
From what I understand he got his brains blown out, so the battle didnt make a difference. Remember how we said that Scalphunter shooting him in the brain was PIS, but it wasnt PIS for him to get dropped.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ive posted two other examples of him having troubles with bullets outside a desert envinronment.From what I understand he got his brains blown out, so the battle didnt make a difference. Remember how we said that Scalphunter shooting him in the brain was PIS, but it wasnt PIS for him to get dropped.
So.... low showing... 😐
Scalphunter dropped him and he was getting up the next panel. 😬
I find it hilarious how hypocritical you are Phantom Zone... Seriously... you argued thatr a abaseball bat to the nuts would take wolverine down based off of ... Einnis's work... But now you choose to ignore a part of that same work to argue that bullets will take Wolverine down.
Or did you forget that Frank blasted Wolverine in the face with a shotgun, and didn't even interupt Wolverine's sentence?
Yeah, lets only use the piece that fits your argument and defend this work to the death. Good job!
And lets not forget the Early X-men vol 2 where a bunch of people open fire and totally shred into wolverine with gunfire and it doesn't take him down.
Good Job!
Originally posted by jinzin
So.... low showing... 😐
Its a not a low showing when there are lots of them. Do you understand this concept?
Originally posted by jinzin
Scalphunter dropped him and he was getting up the next panel. 😬
Ok so I need to explain to you that hes not just going to left him get up?
Originally posted by Creshosk
I find it hilarious how hypocritical you are Phantom Zone... Seriously... you argued thatr a abaseball bat to the nuts would take wolverine down based off of ... Einnis's work... But now you choose to ignore a part of that same work to argue that bullets will take Wolverine down.Or did you forget that Frank blasted Wolverine in the face with a shotgun, and didn't even interupt Wolverine's sentence?
No not really theres lots of adamantuim in his face. If theres anywhere hes going to resist damage its there. Again as Wolverine said theres no adamntuim in his nuts.
Other writers have shown Wolverine with different showings as well but as usual you dont have a point.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, lets only use the piece that fits your argument and defend this work to the death. Good job!
Not really the characters is inconistent. Sometimes he resists bullets othertimes he doesnt, thats why I could settle for 5/10 because he may resist the bullets or he may not....but it could well be argued that people who are experts with guns can use it more effectively.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And lets not forget the Early X-men vol 2 where a bunch of people open fire and totally shred into wolverine with gunfire and it doesn't take him down.Good Job!
Yeah and lets not forget Wolverine issue 1 Volume 3 where he gets gunned down by 14 bullets...lol and prior to that he got KOed by a normal person why he let follow him, cant remember the exct issue. Wolverine is inconsistent so cant say for definite he will resist bullets.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt is when its like two out of a higher number. Do you understand this concept?
Its a not a low showing when there are lots of them. Do you understand this concept?[/b
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAssuming of course that punisher even gets him down...
[B]Ok so I need to explain to you that hes not just going to left him get up?
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneas EINNIS said you mean. The guy who had wolverine say "Ol' cankunckle head" whenever wolverine refered to himself...
No not really theres lots of adamantuim in his face. If theres anywhere hes going to resist damage its there. Again as Wolverine said theres no adamntuim in his nuts.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone"Oh, its inconsistant! therefore we do things my way."
Other writers have shown Wolverine with different showings as well but as usual you dont have a point.
I'm tired of this fanboy whining of yours.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAll characters are. Its why we use the median of the showings, unlike you whom likes to use only low showings cause Frank doesn't stand a chance in hell otherwise. Wolveirne gets punched by multi ton bricks, but no, bullets put him down. Wolverine has gotten smacked by a stealth bomber... but no, bullets will take him down because theres TWO showings of it happening. Which ignores all the times he's done fine against things that hit harder.
Not really the characters is inconistent.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOr he might just resist the bullets like he normally does, rather than the TWO SHOWINGS where he doesn't... But hey punisher has to win otherwise the fanboy will cry and sigh....
Sometimes he resists bullets othertimes he doesnt, thats why I could settle for 5/10 because he may resist the bullets or he may not....
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBecause we know that military people are the best, but only when they're named Frank. Who can appearently do what 5 men can do... he's like multiple man after all, being in 5 different spots at gfive different angles... Probably some stolen shield tech that we've never seen that he has a hold of. Cause hey, who cares if there's no evidence of it. Frank just has to win! He's just gotta!
but it could well be argued that people who are experts with guns can use it more effectively.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOh more low showings or the same ones? Cause we know that whenever anyone shoots at wolverine it always hits him, and it always puts him down... or well twice.
Yeah and lets not forget Wolverine issue 1 Volume 3 where he gets gunned down by 14 bullets...lol and prior to that he got KOed by a normal person why he let follow him, cant remember the exct issue.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYeah I'm getting tired of this line of desperation. I'm going to call the slothful induction fallacy on you. But hey, being illogical is what you fanboys do best.
Wolverine is inconsistent so cant say for definite he will resist bullets.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its a not a low showing when there are lots of them. Do you understand this concept?Ok so I need to explain to you that hes not just going to left him get up?
Lol, it amuses me how you continue implying that I'm the one not getting it. Do you understand the concept of minority vs. majority?
Apparently not.
How bout the fact that a wound which put Sabretooth out of comission up to even 3 years ago at a time he was taking everything that could be dished out to him from JTF super commando teams to Sinister's supermen didn't manage to keep Wolverine down for one panel seems to be an indication that his HF is above Sabretooth's from three years ago... A level that Punisher isn't touching.
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