Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What the hell has that got to do with anything?? He got the stash he said "Get to work", he didnt say "im going to get to work". Therefore common sense dictates that the stash was for Punisher to use.
Common sense dictates Wolverine stomps the Punisher. 😐
Again, you don't know how long Clarke's had that stash. There's no way he could've acquired an entire friggin' SHIELD armory while attending to Castle the four days he was knocked out. Common sense says he already had at least a decent amount of weapons hid away before he even met Castle.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes it does becaue we have to establish wether the equimpment belongs to him. If the equipment main purpose is for his benefit then its still his equipment. One of the things that you ahve to take into account is that in prep there is no outside help. Since the blackbird mains purpose is for the X-men he may not be able to use it when he want to and he would have to ask for permission (Wolverine probably wouldnt because he breaks rules but thats whats supposed to happen). Frank doesnt have to ask permission to get the Satans Claw. Saying that the Blackbird belongs to Wolverine is like saying that a book in the library is your personal property.
Well, you screwed yourself there-- the library's books don't belong to you, but so long as you're a member of that library, you can use the books for your own personal use. Sure, it's standard procedure to check out the books before you take them out of the library, but what if you just took them and brought it back later? No one would know until it was too late. Same applies here. You admitted just now Wolverine wouldn't ask for permission. I never said the Blackbird belonged to Wolverine. I said he had access, to all three Blackbirds, no less. I asked what's to stop him from taking one?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok how many other superheroes do you know that would use a pizza and a steamroller as a weapon, must heroes would just keep using there barehands the whole point is that Punisher will use anything that works. There are also other examples of him using a motorbike to drag Wolverine around and also for him to use gasoline that happened to be present to try and light him up.What part of what you think doesnt matter? The writers so that it was fit for him to use the Satans Claw and the venom suit not you.
Anything around him that works, usually AS A LAST RESORT. If his 30+ years of comics have shown us anything, it's that the Punisher will go into a fight armed to the teeth with CONVENTIONAL weaponry ELEVEN times out of TEN. And yes, I realize that's not mathematically kosher, but since it's about Castle and weapons of choice, then 11/10 is about right.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I could say the samething about Mung, conventional weapons dont work so he decided to use something more powerful or something else. If he feels that something better is going to use the job he'll do it like I said hes never had somebody like Stu Clark before. When he was with Microchip he probably never used some of that stuff before now hes got somebody even better.
So then why doesn't he ALWAYS wear a mock symbiote? Clarke seemed to whip that one up rather quickly and with limited resources, so why the hell isn't Castle ALWAYS wearing one? Same with the Satan Claw. They get the job done quicker and more effectively, right? Why doesn't he have Clarke build him a custom variant of the Iron Man armor?
Because the Punisher will always favor guns. Most of the SHIELD guns we saw him using are just lighter variants of existing firearms. Satan Claw and Venomtech suit? Definitely not Frank.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No they are not!!!!!!! You are being a smart ass and you're wasting my time.
No, up until now, I wasn't being a smart-ass.
A writer. One, single writer-- Matt Fraction. Don't get me wrong-- So far, I've loved the new Punisher War Journal, but until a couple of others keep Frank rolling in futuristic weaponry, then it doesn't really fit. It's like Jeph Loeb writing that Lupine bit about Wolverine. It doesn't fit with what's already been established, and in this case, it's that Punisher primarily sticks with guns.
Again, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have the SHIELD tech on him for the fight. I'm saying it doesn't really fit the character to use all that.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Look your seriously wasting my time. First of all Wolverines HF is reduced. We got scans in thie thread of Wolverine getting dropped and hurt by gunshots WHICH ARE NON-EINNIS. What the hell do you want me to do? You got Frank using weapons that you think are out of charcater for him to use despite the fcat the writers dont have a problem with him using it. We got non-einnis feats with Wolverine getting hurt and dropeed by bullets but despite that i guess the writers are crap. So basically you're just wasting my time and your going to either define everything as either out of character or crap if you dont like it.
You waste more of EVERYONE'S time by not using spell-check. We're all too busy either deciphering your rantings or laughing at their all-round poor execution. I've brought up some new points in the debate since joining in. You've just kept re-hashing a few lackluster points about Wolverine's healing factor.
Jean Grey pointed to Logan in Wolverine #65, after Logan had let some dude in a bar punch him in the face with brass knuckles:
"You have a healing factor, Logan, not a pain-dampening factor. That must be excruciating..."
That speaks volumes about his threshold for pain, and not just about the bar scene. Wolverine has scrapped with many of Marvel's top-tiers BEFORE his Healing Factor was amped up to Hulk levels. The Healing Factor enables him to fight longer, but it's his own sheer will that keeps him from dropping to excruciating pain.
