Teen gives birth to ANOTHER set of triplets! (7 children total)

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I've never understood why people feel the need to compare their choices, to those of others.

Originally posted by Lana
This was her own personal choice, what she should have done is not up to you or anyone else, it's her life and if she wants to have unprotected sex then that's her choice.

Originally posted by Lana
People need to actually start acknowledging that one set of morals does not belong to the world's population, different people believe different things are wrong.

Originally posted by Lana
What you think is wrong is all well and good, but keep it to your own life.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I get to judge cause I'm human. I don't approve of her mistakes and never made them myself.

That gives me quite a bit of leeway. If I had made her mistakes you and he would have a point. Sorry, she gets no sympathy from me for her own stupid actions.

And I didn't say she was did I?

Actually that would be you reading more into it that the story reveals. So no all we know is she had sex at 13. No mention of rape.

Then it'd be rape. She still could have said no. Anyone who would leave a girl cause they won't have se x with them didn't deserve the girl anyway.

It was still a stupid deciocion that was made on her part. IF that happened. but since its not mentioned in the article its STILL just speculation on your part. For all we know she's the one who initiated.

So again all we know is she was pregnant at 13, and rape was not mentioned.

So ditch the crusader complex shall we?

Crusader complex? Because I dislike how people judge others if they make different decisions?

You made different choices. Good for you. So did I. That doesn't stop me from having compassion for people who end up in unfortunate circumstances for any reason, nor does it mean that I automatically think "different decision than I would have made" means "they made a mistake".

You can kindly remove yourself from your high horse.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Why do they have to be mistakes?

So now we've gone from a crusader complex to putting her on a pedistal?

You know what, go ahead and continue to judge me harshly. Your approval would fill me with shame.

Cause hey, I'm not allowed to judge but you are.. nice. 😆

Originally posted by Lana
Crusader complex? Because I dislike how people judge others if they make different decisions?

The crusader complex is the defend the poor helpless person mentality.

Originally posted by Lana
You made different choices. Good for you. So did I. That doesn't stop me from having compassion for people who end up in unfortunate circumstances for any reason, nor does it mean that I automatically think "different decision than I would have made" means "they made a mistake".

Originally posted by Lana
You can kindly remove yourself from your high horse.

I can't judge her but you can judge me. 😆

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, that's what makes you a hypocrite. 😉

The crusader complex is the defend the poor helpless person mentality.

Thaqt's your call. You're entitled to it.

How about you take your own advice? 🙂

I can't judge her but you can judge me. 😆

How does it make me a hypocrite? I am, contrary to yourself, not actually judging anyone. Hell, I was civil with Jacope - that rarely happens.

And I don't see how "help the helpless" is a bad mentality to have. It's a GOOD one to have, I think. You really can't say much of a society where most people are not willing to help others but will happily say they're bad or made poor choices for making different decisions.

And I'm not judging you. I don't agree with you, I've explained WHY I don't agree with you, but I don't see me saying "you should keep your mouth shut" or "you're a bad person" or anything like that. THAT would be being judgmental. I'm simply saying that you are no more perfect that myself, or Chill, or this girl.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So you're saying that she's never made a mistake?

So now we've gone from a crusader complex to putting her on a pedistal?

You know what, go ahead and continue to judge me harshly. Your approval would fill me with shame.

Cause hey, I'm not allowed to judge but you are.. nice. 😆

Mistakes are personal to people, only the person who has made the mistakes knows fully what they are. As a person, other people may regard some of the things I've done as mistakes, I however don't with a lot of things. It's not up to you to dictate what someone has done wrong in their life, it's absolutely none of your business, plus this young lady may feel differently, she may regard her children as a blessing, I'm not going to assume anything and I don't really care.

As for your earlier point about comparisons, yeah, we can compare tastes and preference with each other to gain an understanding and liking for others. However, I see no need to compare lifestyle choices, so what if someone is pregnant at a certain age, or dabbles in a certain substance, or does something else which involves their own life? Why should you be able to dictate to them what is the right and wrong thing to do, with something that is theirs?

Originally posted by Lana
How does it make me a hypocrite?

No I guess there's no hypocritial actions there huh? 🙄

Originally posted by Lana
I am, contrary to yourself, not actually judging anyone.

Originally posted by Lana
Hell, I was civil with Jacope - that rarely happens.

Originally posted by Lana
And I don't see how "help the helpless" is a bad mentality to have.

Originally posted by Lana
It's a GOOD one to have, I think. You really can't say much of a society where most people are not willing to help others but will happily say they're bad or made poor choices for making different decisions.

Originally posted by Lana
And I'm not judging you.

Originally posted by Lana
I don't agree with you, I've explained WHY I don't agree with you, but I don't see me saying "you should keep your mouth shut"

"You should get off your high horse."

hmm

Originally posted by Lana
or "you're a bad person" or anything like that. THAT would be being judgmental. I'm simply saying that you are no more perfect that myself, or Chill, or this girl.

Telling someone they are not perfect is not judging them. It is an undeniable fact, because NO ONE is perfect. There really is no such thing as perfection.

Also, I'm saying that I don't think people should judge others. I'm not saying "don't judge them and you're wrong for doing so". See, THAT would be being judgmental towards others. But that's not what's happening. If you want to get all judgmental - go for it. But expect people to disagree with you and call you out for it.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Mistakes are personal to people,

A person can be callous about the mistakes they make.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
only the person who has made the mistakes knows fully what they are.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
As a person, other people may regard some of the things I've done as mistakes, I however don't with a lot of things.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
It's not up to you to dictate what someone has done wrong in their life, it's absolutely none of your business, plus this young lady may feel differently, she may regard her children as a blessing, I'm not going to assume anything and I don't really care.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
As for your earlier point about comparisons, yeah, we can compare tastes and preference with each other to gain an understanding and liking for others.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
However, I see no need to compare lifestyle choices, so what if someone is pregnant at a certain age, or dabbles in a certain substance, or does something else which involves their own life? Why should you be able to dictate to them

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
what is the right and wrong thing to do, with something that is theirs?

Originally posted by Lana
Telling someone they are not perfect is not judging them. It is an undeniable fact, because NO ONE is perfect. There really is no such thing as perfection.

Also, I'm saying that I don't think people should judge others. I'm not saying "don't judge them and you're wrong for doing so". See, THAT would be being judgmental towards others. But that's not what's happening. If you want to get all judgmental - go for it. But expect people to disagree with you and call you out for it.

Main Entry: 1judge
Pronunciation: \ˈjəj\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): judged; judg·ing
Etymology: Middle English juggen, from Anglo-French juger, from Latin judicare, from judic-, judex judge, from jus right, law + dicere to decide, say — more at just, diction
Date: 13th century
transitive verb
1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
2: to sit in judgment on : try
3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
4: govern, rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader
5: to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his accent>
6: to hold as an opinion : guess, think <I judge she knew what she was doing>
intransitive verb
1: to form an opinion
2: to decide as a judge
synonyms see infer
— judg·er noun

🙂

Seeing as how I'm not you have no point.

You said she should have kept her legs shut. I'd say...yeah. You did.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Main Entry: 1judge
Pronunciation: \&#712;j&#601;j\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): judged; judg·ing
Etymology: Middle English juggen, from Anglo-French juger, from Latin judicare, from judic-, judex judge, from jus right, law + dicere to decide, say — more at just, diction
Date: 13th century
transitive verb
1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
2: to sit in judgment on : try
3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
4: govern, rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader
5: to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his accent>
6: to hold as an opinion : guess, think <I judge she knew what she was doing>
intransitive verb
1: to form an opinion
2: to decide as a judge
synonyms see infer
— judg·er noun

🙂

Big difference between having an opinion and trying to hold someone to your own personal standards.

Originally posted by Creshosk
They can come in the form of bad decisions or clumsy accidents. Where does it say they have to be personal?

A person can be callous about the mistakes they make.

Unless they don't think they were a mistake at the time and later turn out to be.

That's there perogative to think that. You likewise are in no position to police other people's thoughts.

Bullshit. 🙂 If you didn't care you wouldn't have posted. 😉

Or distaste if you don't aprove of their decisions.

Oh, is she a poster on KMC that will be reading this? In that case I can tell them to their face I don't approve of their actions. if not you're out of line and full of shit. 🙂

Seeing as how I'm not you have no point. 🙂

What do you mean 'where does it say they have to be personal?' Of course mistakes are personal, they are to do with our lives, we know when we've made a mistake, because we know what our original intentions were. You cannot condemn someone elses actions as a mistake just by the outcome, because you don't know enough about what they originally intended, it's assumption and it's an insult to that person's personal freedom.

The rest of your post is mostly dodging. You were telling the readers of this thread that what she had done was a mistake, you assumed it was with no evidence, why?

The bit about me caring:- I don't care about what decisions she makes, however, I do care when those decisions are made out to be mistakes, when there is no evidence of that.

LOL...looks like Creshosk got bored.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
So, even with your 'holier than thou' lifestyle, you're still just average? That must be disappointing for you.

This made me giggle

Originally posted by chithappens
This made me giggle

You guys need to have vastly different screen names (or I need to pay more attention) if you're going to comment on each other. I just thought one guy was really, really congratulating himself.

Ha, that's kinda funny.

I actually agree with chill in this case - rare indeed.

Originally posted by Lana
You said she should have kept her legs shut. I'd say...yeah. You did.

"Why should you be able to dictate to them what is the right and wrong thing to do, with something that is theirs?"

Unless she's here reading this I'm not and you have no point. 😆

Originally posted by Lana
Big difference between having an opinion and trying to hold someone to your own personal standards.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
What do you mean 'where does it say they have to be personal?' Of course mistakes are personal, they are to do with our lives, we know when we've made a mistake, because we know what our original intentions were.

Main Entry: 1mis·take
Pronunciation: \m&#601;-&#712;stâk\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mis·took \-&#712;stu&#775;k\; mis·tak·en \-&#712;stâ-k&#601;n\; mis·tak·ing
Etymology: Middle English
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1: to blunder in the choice of <mistook her way in the dark>
2 a: to misunderstand the meaning or intention of : misinterpret <don't mistake me, I mean exactly what I said> b: to make a wrong judgment of the character or ability of
3: to identify wrongly : confuse with another <I mistook him for his brother>
intransitive verb
: to be wrong <you mistook when you thought I laughed at you — Thomas Hardy>
— mis·tak·en·ly adverb
— mis·tak·er noun

I don't see the word personal in there. So no you're just making up shit at this point in time... which is a mistake.

"To be wrong"

😆

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You cannot condemn someone elses actions as a mistake just by the outcome,

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
because you don't know enough about what they originally intended,

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
it's assumption and it's an insult to that person's personal freedom.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The rest of your post is mostly dodging.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You were telling the readers of this thread that what she had done was a mistake, you assumed it was with no evidence, why?

🙄

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The bit about me caring:- I don't care about what decisions she makes, however, I do care when those decisions are made out to be mistakes, when there is no evidence of that.

Look at that you make up shit and you ignore what is. And you tell menot to judge while judging me. Nice. doped

She may well have fully intended to conceive, prove to me that she didn't and I will agree that it was a mistake. Don't forget that she's given birth to two sets of triplets, not 7 kids individually.

You entering definitions doesn't really change anything, as this is a specific, contextual usage of the word.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh I'm sorry are you her? Is that why you're getting so defensive? I's the only way I'd be telling her how she should have lived her life. Otherwise. no2 I am not dictating to her how to live her life. 😆

If you do not have some sort of previous knowledge of an individual background, it is impossible to not seem like a dictative prick.

At the very least, after someone knows a decent amount about said subject, they can make rational observations. You have blindly just said that it is all her fault. In the blog she is considered to be "promiscuous." They say she had a miscarriage and so on, but why is she having sex at a young age?

It is very simple to say that one should learn from mistakes and not repeat the exact same thing. Some are rather stupid and make no sense:

Example: Kelvin Sampson gets excused as basketball coach of Indiana University for making too many phone calls to recruits. Before this happened he was already under a penalty from the NCAA for the EXACT SAME problem (making too many phone calls to recruits). Now this is an example of a very irrational decision making process.

Now in a different scenario, let's say someone is a two-time felon from the projects. You let him out of prison and tell him he has one more chance (Three Strikes program). He goes out and does the same sort of crimes. He might honestly want to stop and clean himself up, but influence plays a lot into how we handle different situations.

People all influence each other and offer either a negative or positive charge to the current paradigm an individual holds. We gauge what we see as moral or immoral based on these charges.

As mentioned earlier, anal sex is not considered "ok." Now more people do it than I think most realize, but the point is that there is no objective maxim to base "anal sex is wrong" on. This is part of the paradigm of the masses. This does not even mean that people base their actions on their morals (that is emotion) but I won't go there unless someone takes it there later.

I conclude by saying that without some real background information, what you said was unfair and bias. You may not agree with the situations a person has in their lives, but understanding how a person reaches those circumstances is important to the entire process of rational thought.

Originally posted by JacopeX
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/02/in-argentina-16.html

I find this very sad and following my rantings on how youth is going to the shit, I think I have made my point easily. Here is some advice you whore, keep your legs closed and adopt all your children. You have alot more to live for!

This b1tch is like the Alien Queen. We should shoot her out into space before she lay's any more egg's and advances her colony. I mean, our military is already strapped for supplies...,"better safe than sorry" 😉