Originally posted by RobtardThat's why I said i'm alright. I don't think I am neither Intelligent or an Idiot.
You prove Chill's point of "idiots who think they're amazingly intelligent".
Originally posted by LanaThe second advices are pretty much how it has always been explained on Drugs, Drinking, and Sex. I don't remember anyone saying "Don't do drugs because its bad" without any explanation. So you pretty much are not making yourself rational here at all. The advice are always explained to Teens, it is just that they cannot maintain the right way by doing the complete opposite. Plus, I think that common sense is another thing needed if you are lets say offered drugs. Why the hell would you inject some chemicals into your bloodstream? And you don't have to know anything about this drug as long as you know how they can make an impact on you.
Parents give advice. Okay, well, think about this. Which do you think is better advice and is more likely to have an impact? "Drinking is bad. Don't do it." or "You shouldn't really drink at your age, but if you do, be careful about it, don't overdo it, and make sure you don't drive or get in the car with anyone else who is drinking."Or how about this. "Drugs are bad." or "Drugs are bad, they can completely destroy your mind and/or your body, and these are the things they can do to you."
Or, the relevant one here, "Sex is bad, don't do it." against "People have sex, it's a natural thing to do, and if you decide to have sex make sure you use protection, this is what you can do to make sure you do it safely, this is what can happen if you have unprotected sex".
Really, what do you think is the better advice here? The latter, on all three points. However, what advice is usually given to teens? The former. "Don't do it it's bad", when really, there's nothing inherently wrong with ANY of those so long as you're not stupid about it. But if the only advice most kids get keeps them ignorant about it, then they really can't help but be stupid about it.
And I never said anywhere that a 13 year old would not know about sex. They would know the basics of how to do it, yes. They likely would not know the full consequences, or be emotionally ready to do so, and most 13 year olds will NOT be interested in actually having sex.
Also...you honestly think that teaching abstinence-only is working? When you say how kids are ignorant and ignoring advice and education? How can they ignore something they don't get? Abstinence-only education does not work. All it does is end up with kids that don't know about protection, how to use it or how to get it, and are having unsafe sex.
And for that matter...even if you ARE having sex with protection. It's not a 100% guarantee that you will not get pregnant. Any form of contraception can fail. But even so - at least they're educated and know their options. They know the consequences.
I don't quite get your "youth is going to hell" comment, though. Teen pregnancies, teens doing drugs, underage drinking...they're not something new. They're things that've been going on for a very, very long time.
And yes, Jacope, you ARE just like every single other teenager to have walked the earth. One day you will realize that you do not know everything. But right now...you're acting just like every other kid on the planet who thinks they know what's right for everyone.
And that is why I said that it is at least reducing the number of teenage pregancy's or just getting the word through the ones that are willing to listen. The unsafe sex occurs all due to ignorance. If you are taught about abistinence and how it can reduce HIV or pregancy, then that should at least give teen these days the picture.
I know it has been going on for a long time.....But why is it still a problem to this day among teens? It has worsened statistically speaking. Not only do their actions have to do with my point but also their behavior and and ways of opinion is what also impacts them. I am going through the experience as a teenager, surrounded by thousands of them and I see whats going on around me. I learn more and more this way, but don't think i'm some type of quiet freak now. I always have fun. 😂
So 13 year olds do not know the consequences of sex even though they know how to have sex.......That's pretty dangerous.
Actually, I will admit now that I can be flawed at times but I am still in the learning process of my life. But i will tell you that I am pretty much doing the right thing and going the right direction. Many people I have known have teased me for my so called "Lame" choices I have made in the past such as wanting to stay a virgin besides losing it to any girl that I probably will never see again. Now days, one of them have dropped out and the other....Hell I have no clue. So I will leave it at that. 😊
Originally posted by JacopeXironic huh? one word posts...funny
Treated as subjects you say? Seriosuly, do you listen to what you are actually saying. You see, parents have been giving these advices for their children to lead a better life in the fututre if they can't maintain themselves now. However, generation after generation, we still see people who have failed to take advice for granted. It always has happened because the mind of a teen is probably the most IGNORANT as in they do not think and usually ignore anything that they find so called unfair. That is why they would like to rebel against anything thye are told, that is why I do not take any of them seriously.Kids? So at 13 you know absolutely nothing of sex? [b]Give me a ****ing break!
XDYes I agree that Sex ed continue with the abstinence only thing and I believe that this is at least helping. I mean, there are many other reasons for teenagers not get preganant and have safe sex. One of them is to also reduce the number of abortion. Well, that is my opinion but I am pretty sure they have other reasons to teach abistnence. Now this is all a stalemate on how she was preganant since there really is no evidence on how she had sex so please leave it at that. I did apologize for what I have said.
In this case, I find all possiblities to be correct. But I go with my thought on what might of happened and I believe it may be possible that she purposely had sex and I have my reasons. I mean, now days if I were to hear about a girl in middle school having sex, I do not find it shocking at all. All I am saying is that youth has gone to hell. Yet, many want to keep bringing up my first comment. Yes, I already admit that I was a bit hasty so I apologized.
STFU. You are making nothing but one word posts and blanting out like a little 8 year old autistic child. [/B]
Originally posted by JacopeX
That's why I said i'm alright. I don't think I am neither Intelligent or an Idiot.The second advices are pretty much how it has always been explained on Drugs, Drinking, and Sex. I don't remember anyone saying "Don't do drugs because its bad" without any explanation. So you pretty much are not making yourself rational here at all. The advice are always explained to Teens, it is just that they cannot maintain the right way by doing the complete opposite. Plus, I think that common sense is another thing needed if you are lets say offered drugs. Why the hell would you inject some chemicals into your bloodstream? And you don't have to know anything about this drug as long as you know how they can make an impact on you.
And that is why I said that it is [b]at least
reducing the number of teenage pregancy's or just getting the word through the ones that are willing to listen. The unsafe sex occurs all due to ignorance. If you are taught about abistinence and how it can reduce HIV or pregancy, then that should at least give teen these days the picture.I know it has been going on for a long time.....But why is it still a problem to this day among teens? It has worsened statistically speaking. Not only do their actions have to do with my point but also their behavior and and ways of opinion is what also impacts them. I am going through the experience as a teenager, surrounded by thousands of them and I see whats going on around me. I learn more and more this way, but don't think i'm some type of quiet freak now. I always have fun. 😂
So 13 year olds do not know the consequences of sex even though they know how to have sex.......That's pretty dangerous.
Actually, I will admit now that I can be flawed at times but I am still in the learning process of my life. But i will tell you that I am pretty much doing the right thing and going the right direction. Many people I have known have teased me for my so called "Lame" choices I have made in the past such as wanting to stay a virgin besides losing it to any girl that I probably will never see again. Now days, one of them have dropped out and the other....Hell I have no clue. So I will leave it at that. 😊 [/B]
You might be an exception there, but most of the time kids don't hear anything more than "don't do this, it's bad", with none of the reasonings behind WHY it's bad. Or when they do finally hear about all of the consequences and how things can be done safely or in moderation, it's too late. I know I was always told by my mom that she'd prefer if I didn't drink, but if I did, to not overdo it, make sure I was with people I trusted, and to not go near a car. It was never hidden from me, but rather was presented to me as "if you do do this, don't be stupid about it".
It also depends on the area you live in. Small towns generally tend to be more religious than larger cities, and thus stuff like sex, drugs, and alcohol are seen as things that shouldn't be talked about much because they're 'bad'.
Abstinence-only sex ed is not lowering the number of teen pregnancies. Which...really...makes sense. Kids these days, in schools in the US, are taught nothing more than "Do not have sex because it is bad". There's nothing about birth control or safe sex or anything. Which really, I find to be very dangerous.
I don't think it's actually THAT much worse these days as it was, say, 40 years ago. But there's also a higher population now, so there's more teenagers, and stuff isn't hidden so much.
And it IS dangerous, that teens know how to have sex but don't know of the consequences of it. But that's what happens when all they're taught is abstinence. Education cannot ever be anything BUT a good thing. Personally, I think the fact that most people don't have sex ed until their first or second year of high school is too late, anyway. It's also harder for teens to obtain birth control, which doesn't help matters much.
Everyone's flawed, and everyone is still learning things about life, and definitely when you're a teen that's when most of it happens. People screw up, and everyone does so in different ways. But it's inevitable that it's going to happen and I don't think it's very fair to judge people for screwing up when they're still growing up and learning the ways of the world, and especially when they may not have had the opportunities that others might have.
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Originally posted by RobtardI was a virgin up until I was out of highschool. In fact I lived a pretty sheltered life, never got in trouble or anything so her bad choices are greater than mine.
Because you always made the best choices when you were 13 and you knew it all.
But yeah, despite what I did she' still couldn't keep her legs shut. doped
Originally posted by LanaIf she chose no and the guy chose yes, that would have been rape. Yes there was a guy who was just as responsible... but note the story isn't about the guy... just the girl.
Of course.Just as when a girl gets pregnant, it's her fault and hers alone, and no one else was at all responsible. We'll just ignore the physical impossibility of that. Facts? Who cares! We get to be judgmental.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I was a virgin up until I was out of highschool. In fact I lived a pretty sheltered life, never got in trouble or anything so her bad choices are greater than mine.But yeah, despite what I did she' still couldn't keep her legs shut. doped
I think his point is that you are not perfect so you have no place in judging someone else for being less than perfect.
Originally posted by Creshosk
If she chose no and the guy chose yes, that would have been rape. Yes there was a guy who was just as responsible... but note the story isn't about the guy... just the girl.
Of course it only focuses on the girl. That still does not change the fact that she's not the only responsible party.
And I'll repeat what I and others have said in this thread. If she was having sex at 13, it's very likely she was coerced into it. Not necessarily forced, but coerced. It's not exactly uncommon for a young teen girl to feel that they HAVE to do something to prove that they love their boyfriend, or feel they have to do something to make sure he doesn't leave her. I wouldn't count that as having sex willingly.
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Originally posted by Creshosk
I was a virgin up until I was out of highschool. In fact I lived a pretty sheltered life, never got in trouble or anything so her bad choices are greater than mine.But yeah, despite what I did she' still couldn't keep her legs shut. doped
I've never understood why people feel the need to compare their choices, to those of others. This was her own personal choice, what she should have done is not up to you or anyone else, it's her life and if she wants to have unprotected sex then that's her choice.
People need to actually start acknowledging that one set of morals does not belong to the world's population, different people believe different things are wrong. What you think is wrong is all well and good, but keep it to your own life.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I've never understood why people feel the need to compare their choices, to those of others. This was her own personal choice, what she should have done is not up to you or anyone else, it's her life and if she wants to have unprotected sex then that's her choice.
People need to actually start acknowledging that one set of morals does not belong to the world's population, different people believe different things are wrong. What you think is wrong is all well and good, but keep it to your own life.
Ladies and gentlemen, someone with a brain.
I don't get the whole "they did something different than I would have so they're bad" thing either. Okay, great, you wouldn't have done that. What do you want, a medal? Go live your own life and leave other people alone.
I just think that more should be done to educate people so that when they do make choices like that they are at least aware of the alternatives and consequences (consequences not necessarily being bad).
And if anyone wants to complain "well single mothers take our money for welfare!" - don't bother. So very little of taxes goes towards that, and frankly I think it's a bit callous to want to punish a child for the choices their parents may have made.
Originally posted by LanaI get to judge cause I'm human. I don't approve of her mistakes and never made them myself.
I think his point is that you are not perfect so you have no place in judging someone else for being less than perfect.
That gives me quite a bit of leeway. If I had made her mistakes you and he would have a point. Sorry, she gets no sympathy from me for her own stupid actions.
Originally posted by LanaAnd I didn't say she was did I?
Of course it only focuses on the girl. That still does not change the fact that she's not the only responsible party.
Originally posted by LanaActually that would be you reading more into it that the story reveals. So no all we know is she had sex at 13. No mention of rape.
And I'll repeat what I and others have said in this thread. If she was having sex at 13, it's very likely she was coerced into it.
Originally posted by LanaThen it'd be rape. She still could have said no. Anyone who would leave a girl cause they won't have se x with them didn't deserve the girl anyway.
Not necessarily forced, but coerced. It's not exactly uncommon for a young teen girl to feel that they HAVE to do something to prove that they love their boyfriend, or feel they have to do something to make sure he doesn't leave her. I wouldn't count that as having sex willingly.
It was still a stupid deciocion that was made on her part. IF that happened. but since its not mentioned in the article its STILL just speculation on your part. For all we know she's the one who initiated.
So again all we know is she was pregnant at 13, and rape was not mentioned.
So ditch the crusader complex shall we?