Namor vs. Storm

As ive already said before Namor or any capable flier with enough speed could fly through a wind if it was blowing in a single direction, because they could slowly force against it if theyre faster than the wind. However a vortex and its rotational nature is another thing entirely. Namor wouldnt be able to just escape it by spinning around. If for some reason he did manage to escape its a simple matter of redirecting the winds with a thought.

Plus when you consider that Namor could be bombarded with lasers at the same time, or storm could dramatically thin the air and raise the ambient temperature making it hard to breathe and dehydrating him and thus weakening him theres just so many ways storm could take him out from a long distance. Namors only definitive way of taking storm out is to either make physical contact or to constantly throw projectiles. storm has a better chance of winning therefore i give it to storm.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He uses his muscles, similar to Superman. You know that there isn't much difference between Namor's and Superman's strenght level? Only about 50,000/90, 000 tons, if that. And what if Namor makes his spinning quick enough so Storm can't change the direction in time? He basically gained enough speed to drill through that rock in moments. With his body moving with speeds of Mach 1 or better, I think he will escape that Tornado.

Thats just speculation, until you can show Namor escaping from such a vortex in such a manner then you cant say conclusively that he can or will. Its just not good enough. So if Namor started spinning downwards in an attempt to escape whats to stop storm mentally directing the winds to blow at him from the side. Just like that problem solved with a thought. Storm could catch him in a hurricane vortex disable his flight with a flas freeze to the wings, she could go on to thin out the air and increase the ambient temperature, thus weakening him after a while, she could bombard him with lasers, and finish him off by slamming him into the scenery a few times rendering him unconscious. All of this could be done from a distance. Namors only way of gaining a definitive win is to make ohysical contact. Projectiles from a distance storm could avoid or block witha jovian pressure field. It would be a hard battle but Storm would win more often than not.

And what if Namor makes his spinning quick enough so Storm can't change the direction in time? He basically gained enough speed to drill through that rock in moments

^^so now he is faster than the speed of thought? it only takes a thought to change the direction and it happens basically instantley. and did you ever think that namors strength played a factor when he drilled through the rock? when in the air his strength is useless. and anyway galactic has already proved as to why this theory won't work.

Well Namor isnt the only Atlantean that could fly or that has wings for one. Secondly, of course he be able to fly without his wings. It would just be hard to steer. You stated that someone stopped him from flying by grabbing his wings? Ofcourse it would. The wings are part of him and it would hurt to just keep flying and have them ripped off. Its like jumping in the air, and someone pulls your arm down at the same time. That was a bad point.

Thirdly, Storm is going to focus freese his wings? The man survives the colds of space and the deep arctics. Ive never seen Storm shoot any ice blasts from her hands that focus on something and freezes them. Its usually freezing winds and snow. As long as Namor continues to be mobile, that isnt working.

Can GS or SF13 show any proof of Storm freezing a flying oppenent while fighting in the air? Or better yet catching them in a tornado and keeping them there? Especially someone as strong as Namor? Like i stated, via Dictionary, Encyclopedia....

Tornado- tornado, dark, funnel-shaped cloud containing violently rotating air that develops below a heavy cumulonimbus cloud mass and extends toward the earth. The funnel twists about, rises and falls, and where it reaches the earth causes great destruction. The diameter of a tornado varies from a few feet to a mile; the rotating winds may attain velocities of 200 to 300 mi (320–480 km) per hr, and the updraft at the center may reach 200 mi per hr. The Fujita scale is the standard scale for rating the severity of a tornado as measured by the damage it causes. A tornado is usually accompanied by thunder, lightning, heavy rain, and a loud “freight train” noise.

In comparison with a cyclone or hurricane, a tornado covers a much smaller area but can be violent and destructive. The atmospheric conditions required for the formation of a tornado include great thermal instability, high humidity, and the convergence of warm, moist air at low levels with cooler, drier air aloft.

A tornado wouldnt be such a good idea.

"Well Namor isnt the only Atlantean that could fly or that has wings for one. Secondlyof course he be able to fly without his wings. It would just be hard to steer. You stated that someone stopped him from flying by grabbing his wings? Ofcourse it would. The wings are part of him and it would hurt to just keep flying and have the ripped off. Its like jumping in the air, and someone pulls your arm down at the same time. That was a bad point.
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No it wasnt a bad point it was a case of me forgetting that i have to spell things out to some people. From what i was told he fell to the ground as soon as his wings were held. Slight difference there JR so you're analogy is no longer valid.

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Can GS or SF13 show any proof of Storm freezing a flying oppenent while fighting in the air? Or better yet catching them in a tornado? Like i stated, via Dictionary, Encyclopedia....

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Im well aware of what conditions Namor survives however its not a matter of freezing him solid in an ice man like fashion it just be a case of freezing solid in a block of ice his wings. If he is contained in a vortex of wind then she is very capable of employing such a manouevre. None of my arguments have mentioned a tornado so none of what you posted applies to me in the slightest.

What you need to take into consideration also is that under normal circumstances storm works with nature however in a life or death circumstances she has before and will warp weather patterns and push weather effects beyond their natural forms.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No it wasnt a bad point it was a case of me forgetting that i have to spell things out to some people. From what i was told he feel to the ground as soon as his wings were held. Slight difference there JR so you're analogy is no longer valid.

Actually yea it was a bad point. Like i said, if he were to try and keep flying, his wings could be ripped off. They do hurt if pulled you know.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im well aware of what conditions Namor survives however its not a matter of freezing him solid in an ice man like fashion it just be a case of freezing solid in a block of ice his wings. If he is contained in a vortex of wind then she is very capable of employing such a manouevre. None of my arguments have mentioned a tornado so none of what you posted applies to me in the slightest.

Umm but typical science...A vortex of winds IS basically a tornado GS. A vortex of water purely is a whirlpool. Bacically, you are implying a tornado. You just dont realize.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you need to take into consideration also is that under normal circumstances storm works with nature however in a life or death circumstances she has before and will warp weather patterns and push weather effects beyond their natural forms.

I dont doubt that she can push weather effects beyond their natural forms. BUT has she ever did it to anyone as mobile, agile, and as strong as Namor? Proof is always better than assumptions.

vortex - can be seen in the spiraling motion of air or liquid around a center of rotation. Circular current of water of conflicting tides form vortex shapes. Turbulent flow makes many vortices. A good example of a vortex is the atmospheric phenomenon of a whirlwind or a tornado. This whirling air mass mostly takes the form of a helix, column, or spiral. Tornadoes develop from severe thunderstorms, usually spawned from squall lines and supercell thunderstorms, though they sometimes happen as a result of a hurricane. See Polar vortex.

Ill be back later on to continue this if necessary. Later.

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Uh still i must spell it out. He fell as soon as his wings were grabbed which showed his wings are responsible for his flight. He wasnt yanked back when they were grabbed, he didnt stop and hover when his wings were grabbed. See the difference?

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Incorrect. By saying vortex i left my post open to different interpretations as a vortex is a spinning turbulent flow. However the fact that sentences in the same posts often talked of hurricanes should have left anyone with common sense in no doubt as to which manifestation i was referring to.

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The physical strength of someone doesnt matter as in a vortex of wind there would be nothing to apply that strength to. However yes she has contained strong and powerful opponents in hurricanes. She has done so to a number of Sentinels in Uncanny Xmen #98, also to dark phoenix temporarily who at the time had power to rival Galactus and also to Magneto.

Originally posted by jrodslam
vortex - can be seen in the spiraling motion of air or liquid around a center of rotation. Circular current of water of conflicting tides form vortex shapes. Turbulent flow makes many vortices. A good example of a vortex is the atmospheric phenomenon of a whirlwind or a tornado. This whirling air mass mostly takes the form of a helix, column, or spiral. Tornadoes develop from severe thunderstorms, usually spawned from squall lines and supercell thunderstorms, though they sometimes happen as a result of a hurricane. See Polar vortex.

Ill be back later on to continue this if necessary. Later.

Very necessary as you can see. There is more than one definition and application for the word vortex which can leave its use in a post open to different interpretations. However as ive already said the fact that i continually referred to hurricanes should have given you a clue.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He uses his muscles, similar to Superman. You know that there isn't much difference between Namor's and Superman's strenght level? Only about 50,000/90, 000 tons, if that. And what if Namor makes his spinning quick enough so Storm can't change the direction in time? He basically gained enough speed to drill through that rock in moments. With his body moving with speeds of Mach 1 or better, I think he will escape that Tornado.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Darkcrawler I gotta ask you to stop arguing of Namor being in Superman's league.
Superman spinned at mach speeds reaching a zone near the earth core while he was enveloped from the body of a white martian, Namor is not in his league.
Superman is over the 1000'000' tons lifting ability, so is Thor, Namor in water is hella stronger and tougher but I think he's not in that league.

Agreed

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The physical strength of someone doesnt matter as in a vortex of wind there would be nothing to apply that strength to. However yes she has contained strong and powerful opponents in hurricanes. She has done so to a number of Sentinels in Uncanny Xmen #98, also to dark phoenix temporarily who at the time had power to rival Galactus and also to Magneto.

So wait...Superman couldn't escape from vortex made by Storm?

Darkcrawler I gotta ask you to stop arguing of Namor being in Superman's league.
Superman spinned at mach speeds reaching a zone near the earth core while he was enveloped from the body of a white martian, Namor is not in his league.
Superman is over the 1000'000' tons lifting ability, so is Thor, Namor in water is hella stronger and tougher but I think he's not in that league.

Agree, I looked the strenght level wrong. 😮

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Uh still i must spell it out. He fell as soon as his wings were grabbed which showed his wings are responsible for his flight. He wasnt yanked back when they were grabbed, he didnt stop and hover when his wings were grabbed. See the difference?

It might be psychosomatic thing. Namor was once not able to breathe in water - later his advisor cheated him by giving him a pill and claimed that it was pill that could let him breathe underwater, but it was actually aspirin. But yeah, I have no proof that the wings don't cause him fly...but I think the theory is pretty believeable, because if they would, it would be impossible for him to move in space, which he has done multiple times. And with wings that are as small as sparrows they either need to be VERY strong and VERY fast, to even be able to lift Namor, or make him fly over 400 miles per hour. Even if he would only be able to go 60 miles, it would be impossible with those wings.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So wait...Superman couldn't escape from vortex made by Storm?

Agree, I looked the strenght level wrong. 😮

Yes he could after a while because of his flight capabilities. The man can fly at speeds approaching the speed of light.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It might be psychosomatic thing. Namor was once not able to breathe in water - later his advisor cheated him by giving him a pill and claimed that it was pill that could let him breathe underwater, but it was actually aspirin. But yeah, I have no proof that the wings don't cause him fly...but I think the theory is pretty believeable, because if they would, it would be impossible for him to move in space, which he has done multiple times. And with wings that are as small as sparrows they either need to be VERY strong and VERY fast, to even be able to lift Namor, or make him fly over 400 miles per hour. Even if he would only be able to go 60 miles, it would be impossible with those wings.

Impossibility is relative. We're talking about comic books with mutants and gods and magic for goodness sake lol. Either way it doesnt matter whether its his wings or his TK. He just isnt fast enough, his flight capabilities arent sufficient for him to easily escape. Especially when the hurricane is under storms mental command. Namor could win but storm does more often than not.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Thats just speculation, until you can show Namor escaping from such a vortex in such a manner then you cant say conclusively that he can or will. Its just not good enough. So if Namor started spinning downwards in an attempt to escape whats to stop storm mentally directing the winds to blow at him from the side. Just like that problem solved with a thought. Storm could catch him in a hurricane vortex disable his flight with a flas freeze to the wings, she could go on to thin out the air and increase the ambient temperature, thus weakening him after a while, she could bombard him with lasers, and finish him off by slamming him into the scenery a few times rendering him unconscious. All of this could be done from a distance. Namors only way of gaining a definitive win is to make ohysical contact. Projectiles from a distance storm could avoid or block witha jovian pressure field. It would be a hard battle but Storm would win more often than not.

She's not making Jovian pressure fields in second. Especially if they have to block something that moves with thousands of miles per hour. Didn't you read the scan? And the heat wouldn't do THAT much damage to Namor. He took miniature nuclear bomb straight to face and was only stunned - do you know how much heat those things generate? He also grabbed Human Torch who was in supernova form and couldn't control itself and carried him to water to prevent him to kill himself. She's going to need lot of heat to rob Namor of his powers.

Now, I'm not saying that Namor can't beat her without projectiles, that's what I have been arguing here all the time, but I think it is bit unfair that Storm can use everything she has in her arsenal and Namor needs to go head to head with her, even if he has better ways to defeat her. Storm has used the sun lasers maybe one time. Jovian pressure field once. Namor has to try fight him at close range, Storm can use tornadoes, lightning, sun lasers...everything. But Namor, who has threw cars, rocks, garbage cans etc. at his enemies, COUNTLESS times, can't use projectiles? I think that you are being little biased here.

She has only met him once, she doesn't know that water gives him strength. She doesn't know that he can absorb lightning. She doesn't know his exact strength level. Or speed. Or that he can spin his body In this fight, you make it seem that she is Batman, knowing all about his enemy. She is not. But, If you gave her all knowledge of Namor, why wouldn't you be fair and give Namor all knowledge of Storm? Now, as the fight starts, Namor, being a warrior who has fought for 100 years and knowing enemy's strengths and when it is not wise to face them in ways they have advantages, grabs a rock from the ground with his body moving at Mach 1 speeds, and throws it with all his strength towards Storm. Storm's head explodes when the rock hits her at Mach 15 speed. That's the fight with your style.

Storms powers are silly she needs to read Chaos by Gleick to understand how Weather systems work😄

Keep the faith 😄

Stay Whirly🤘

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
She's not making Jovian pressure fields in second. Especially if they have to block something that moves with thousands of miles per hour. Didn't you read the scan? And the heat wouldn't do THAT much damage to Namor. He took miniature nuclear bomb straight to face and was only stunned - do you know how much heat those things generate? He also grabbed Human Torch who was in supernova form and couldn't control itself and carried him to water to prevent him to kill himself. She's going to need lot of heat to rob Namor of his powers.

Now, I'm not saying that Namor can't beat her without projectiles, that's what I have been arguing here all the time, but I think it is bit unfair that Storm can use everything she has in her arsenal and Namor needs to go head to head with her, even if he has better ways to defeat her. Storm has used the sun lasers maybe one time. Jovian pressure field once. Namor has to try fight him at close range, Storm can use tornadoes, lightning, sun lasers...everything. But Namor, who has threw cars, rocks, garbage cans etc. at his enemies, COUNTLESS times, can't use projectiles? I think that you are being little biased here.

She has only met him once, she doesn't know that water gives him strength. She doesn't know that he can absorb lightning. She doesn't know his exact strength level. Or speed. Or that he can spin his body In this fight, you make it seem that she is Batman, knowing all about his enemy. She is not. But, If you gave her all knowledge of Namor, why wouldn't you be fair and give Namor all knowledge of Storm? Now, as the fight starts, Namor, being a warrior who has fought for 100 years and knowing enemy's strengths and when it is not wise to face them in ways they have advantages, grabs a rock from the ground with his body moving at Mach 1 speeds, and throws it with all his strength towards Storm. Storm's head explodes when the rock hits her at Mach 15 speed. That's the fight with your style.

Im not being biased at all DC. You're just a big Namor fan who feels hard done by because your character seems to be losing out in this battle. Namor is a mutant, he is one of the most famous mutants on the planet. He would be known to all senior members of the Xmen especially a leader like Storm. Storm has fought alongside him before in times of major trouble so she knows of her capabilities and as a famous mutant his abilities would be recordered in cerebra. Storm would know of him. Namor would know that Storm is a weather manipulator and that would be the extent of his knowledge as a surface dweller hater and king of atlantis.

Acting in character Namor would attack Storm head on, im sorry but thats just the personality of your favourite character. He would not hide behind buildings throwing stones at her. A second or two is all whats needed for storm to manifest a hurricane. Namor throwing projectiles isnt a definitive win because it could be argued very convincingly that she could dodge them especially if she has dodged Mjolnir from close range , as well as bullets and lasers from elite squads. It is in Storms character to fight at a distance so dodging a projectile thrown by Namor is well within her capabilities as is forming a pressure field in the time it takes one his projectiles to reach her.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Storms powers are silly she needs to read Chaos by Gleick to understand how Weather systems work😄

Keep the faith 😄

Stay Whirly🤘

Miracleman is lame and his bleached hair and tight lycra wouldnt look out of place in Soho.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Miracleman is lame and his bleached hair and tight lycra wouldnt look out of place in Soho.

Soho only has the bodies of the dead in it in Miracleman Olympus after Jonny Bates tears up London see here.

The sublime Alan Davis took over the art chores on MIRACLEMAN for a brief spell as Miracleman sought to define himself in modern times. Rick Veitch and Chuck Austen (working under the name Chuck Beckum) gave their interpretations of MIRACLEMAN, offering new life and new perspectives, but it wasn't until John Totleben took hold of the reins that the book took aim and drove towards a startling and horrific conclusion.

Johnny Bates had returned and rampaged through London with a destructive zeal the likes of which had never been seen before in comics. Truly, if a world were to exist with super-beings in it, their battles would be more ferocious than anything seen in a DC or Marvel comic.

yes those are bodies piled in the thames in the pic, Miracleman was over 18 cert😄

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