Namor vs. Storm

Started by DarkCrawler58 pages

Wasn't that the "Dark Phoenix" Storm, though? Not the power level she operates normally, I think.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Dang it, I wish I could post pics. Anyway, it was Uncanny X-men 147. She rode a lightning bolt to the edge of space.

Wait. I mean no animosity towards you at all, but first you said she flew as fast as a bolt of lightning. Now you're saying she rode the lightning bolt. See, here the latter makes much more sense. But really, she didn't fly that fast. She was just carried (no matter how poor that writing is) by the lightning bolt.

See what I mean?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, as one example, he went to Hellencian Trench, where the pressure is 44000 Kilopascals. Thats already many, many, many times of what Storm is capable of.

Was that underwater?
It just proves that he has been okay in tornadoes stronger then those...

has he ever faced 50 tornadoes?

Yes I do. The thunderclap will move with speed of sound. Storm simply is not able to react to something that is able to move with the speed of sound. She has human reactions.

Actually she can sense the shape of air currents and can feel shifts in the wind. She could even fight an invisible person.

But they still have the same electricity amount. Namor absorbed so much electricity that he was glowing.

How much are we talking?

He puts a hand on his nose then.

Are you saying all he has to do is hold his nose against top notch winds?
Storm does not telekinetically control air particles to move them with high speeds. She controls weather, and winds.

Like I said, she control weather, not winds.


😆 Think about what you just said! 😆

Post the image adress? Issue number?

Giant Size X-men #1 and Uncanny X-men #147

Hell, even tornadoes are made through manipulation of pressure.

Which Storm manipulates.

Originally posted by montrail
Was that underwater?

Yeah...🤨

Originally posted by montrail
has he ever faced 50 tornadoes?

Has she never made 50 tornadoes?

Originally posted by montrail
Actually she can sense the shape of air currents and can feel shifts in the wind. She could even fight an invisible person.

Namor hands move with superhuman speeds. He can make an entire statue in seconds. She won't feel anything before it's too late.

Originally posted by montrail
How much are we talking?

Enough to make him glow brightly...and he did not feel anything...

Compare his electricity absorbing power with his durability, lightning is simply not working.

Originally posted by montrail
Are you saying all he has to do is hold his nose against top notch winds?

Yep. He's superhumanly strong and durable.

Originally posted by montrail
😆 Think about what you just said! 😆

It was a mistake...she controls weather, not air.

Originally posted by montrail
Giant Size X-men #1 and Uncanny X-men #147

Which Storm manipulates.

I know...that was one of the points that prove that she does not control air, but weather.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wait. I mean no animosity towards you at all, but first you said she flew as fast as a bolt of lightning. Now you're saying she rode the lightning bolt. See, here the latter makes much more sense. But really, she didn't fly that fast. She was just carried (no matter how poor that writing is) by the lightning bolt.

See what I mean?

I've seen electro being carried by a lightning bolt.

must be a standard maneuver for people who can manipulate electricity 😆

Originally posted by montrail
Was that underwater?

has he ever faced 50 tornadoes?

Actually she can sense the shape of air currents and can feel shifts in the wind. She could even fight an invisible person.

How much are we talking?

Are you saying all he has to do is hold his nose against top notch winds?

😆 Think about what you just said! 😆

Giant Size X-men #1 and Uncanny X-men #147

Which Storm manipulates.

I have yet to see Storm create anywhere near fifty tornadoes. Can you provide some comic evidence of her ability to produce that many tornadoes at once to prove me wrong?

And actually, holding his hand to his nose is a pretty viable option. Especially since his strength far exceeds any winds she could produce. So, he just holds his breath (which, he can hold for a long), covers his nose, and he's fine.

And that's all I've got for this post.

Originally posted by Black Adam
I've seen electro being carried by a lightning bolt.

must be a standard maneuver for people who can manipulate electricity 😆

And I guess I'm alright with that. I just wanted to clear up Storm flying as fast as lightning.

Besides, Electro probably could move as fast as lightning, giving his far greater ability to manipulate electricity and amp up his own physical attributes.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah...🤨

Exactly

Has she never made 50 tornadoes?

In the X2 movie she did. But that isn't the movie so...but who's to say she can't. She controls the weather after all. And even if that is a little out of her way, she could just do xsomething smaller, lets say..whirlwinds?

Namor hands move with superhuman speeds. He can make an entire statue in seconds. She won't feel anything before it's too late.

Unless she travelled as Lightning or flew on top notch winds 😕

Enough to make him glow brightly...and he did not feel anything...

Compare his electricity absorbing power with his durability, lightning is simply not working.


Storms mutant metaboilism generates a positive electric field that hurls very powerful bolts of lightning. I doubt he could withstand such power coming from a woman who could just gather enough electrical energy to BURN through metal bars (Uncannu X-men #124)
Yep. He's superhumanly strong and durable.

Okay.
It was a mistake...she controls weather, not air.

I thought you were serious! I was laughing my ass off!

I know...that was one of the points that prove that she does not control air, but weather.

Oh I didn't know what you were trying to say.

Originally posted by montrail
Exactly

That doesn't change that he can resist tougher pressures. Being underwater does not change that he can resist pressures between 0 Kilopascals and 200,000 kilopascals. Storm can only do something like 100 kilopascals...Namor would take it with ease.

Originally posted by montrail
In the X2 movie she did. But that isn't the comics so...but who's to say she can't. She controls the weather after all. And even if that is a little out of her way, she could just do xsomething smaller, lets say..whirlwinds?

Whirlwinds won't stop Namor...and he could just clap them all away.l

Originally posted by montrail
Unless she travelled as Lightning or flew on top notch winds 😕

Uhh...that does not upgrade her reaction speed at all...just movement speed. She still would have human reaction speed.

Originally posted by montrail
Storms mutant metaboilism generates a positive electric field that hurls very powerful bolts of lightning. I doubt he could withstand such power coming from a woman who could just gather enough electrical energy to BURN through metal bars (Uncannu X-men #124)

Namor has also absorbed a blast from Presence that send Hulk flying. The magnitude of the blast that he fired Hulk was compared to miniature hydrogen bomb, and he fired Namor with similar blasts. The blasts also had incredible heat on them.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5238/namorfeat1402tn.gif

I don't see Storm having enough time to overload him.

Originally posted by montrail
I thought you were serious! I was laughing my ass off!

😛

Originally posted by montrail
Oh I didn't know what you were trying to say.

Okay.

Originally posted by montrail
In the X2 movie she did. But that isn't the movie so...but who's to say she can't. She controls the weather after all. And even if that is a little out of her way, she could just do xsomething smaller, lets say..whirlwinds?

Unless she travelled as Lightning or flew on top notch winds 😕

Storms mutant metaboilism generates a positive electric field that hurls very powerful bolts of lightning. I doubt he could withstand such power coming from a woman who could just gather enough electrical energy to BURN through metal bars (Uncannu X-men #124)

That was in the movie, like you said. And that was maybe a couple dozen at the most. Anyway, she has never been shown to produce that many in the comics, so that's all that matters.

I still have yet to see any sort of evidence showing that she can turn into lightning or fly anywhere near the speed of lightning itself. And top-notch winds only go so fast, at most around four to five hundred miles per hour.

And, montrail, I know you want the lightning to work, but it won't. Namor absorbs electricity/lightning. That form of attack will just be futile against him. It really doesn't matter how much she produces. She's also not an unlimited battery either. She does get tired and will use up her energy if she were to fire continuous electricity.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B] Storm can only do something like 100 kilopascals...

How do you know this?
Whirlwinds won't stop Namor...and he could just clap them all away.l

How much has he ever clapped away?
Uhh...that does not upgrade her reaction speed at all...just movement speed. She still would have human reaction speed.

Something isn't right about this, I'll have to check back on you.
Namor has also absorbed a blast from Presence that send Hulk flying. The magnitude of the blast that he fired Hulk was compared to miniature hydrogen bomb, and he fired Namor with similar blasts. The blasts also had incredible heat on them.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5238/namorfeat1402tn.gif

I don't see Storm having enough time to overload him.


Hmmm......Okay.

Originally posted by montrail
How do you know this?

I don't think she has ever done anything over the pressure of Jupiter.

Originally posted by montrail
How much has he ever clapped away?

Well, I multiplied the clapping force of a normal man taking Namor's strength into account...I think it would be pretty damn devastating. The shockwave would probably be equal to miniature nuclear bomb. Even if it would not take out the hurricanes, the sheer force of the sound would still kill Storm.

Originally posted by montrail
Something isn't right about this, I'll have to check back on you.

When I go in airplane, only my movement speed increases. Not my reaction speed.

When Storm rides the winds/lightning, only her movement speed increases. Not her reaction speed.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I still have yet to see any sort of evidence showing that she can turn into lightning or fly anywhere near the speed of lightning itself.

Giant Size X-men #1 and Uncanny X-men #147...I said that already didn't I?

And top-notch winds only go so fast, at most around four to five hundred miles per hour.

Which Storm can manipulate to go faster. Now I know she can't make them go VERY high because that sprobably beyond her, but she can still manipulate them so she hasa very useful advantage.

And, montrail, I know you want the lightning to work, but it won't. Namor absorbs electricity/lightning. That form of attack will just be futile against him. It really doesn't matter how much she produces.

She could draw the elelectromagnetic energy from his brainwaves for more weather phenomena. She has many sources. She has even charged Vessel past his endurance before.

She's also not an unlimited battery either.

I wouldn't say that if I were you. Storm can create electricty out of no where with the "Air Molecules" in the air.

She does get tired and will use up her energy if she were to fire continuous electricity. [/B]

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]I don't think she has ever done anything over the pressure of Jupiter.

Uncanny X-men #149

The shockwave would probably be equal to miniature nuclear bomb.

Storms Jovian Pressure Field has contained a nuclear explosion

Even if it would not take out the hurricanes, the sheer force of the sound would still kill Storm.

Okay, he has that one.

Originally posted by montrail
Uncanny X-men #149

She reacted into something FAR slower then the speed of sound or Namor's hand movement...

Originally posted by montrail
Storms Jovian Pressure Field has contained a nuclear explosion

And when she did that one, it took her minutes, and she also fainted. She hardly can do it in time.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
She reacted into something FAR slower then the speed of sound or Namor's hand movement...

???Huh?

And when she did that one, it took her minutes, and she also fainted. She hardly can do it in time.

Thats because she was doing pressure she had never done before. On top of that, it was from another planet. She pushed her powers OVER their limits. She could easily make high pressure.

Originally posted by montrail
???Huh?

When she reacted into the shift in air pressure...I thought you were meaning that---

Originally posted by montrail
Thats because she was doing pressure she had never done before. On top of that, it was from another planet. She pushed her powers OVER their limits. She could easily make high pressure.

But high enough to contain a thunderclap? Faster then she can think? Doubt it. That nuke was a miniature one too.

only one thing i can think she could do to him and that turn up the heat and dehydrate him but i doubt she could do that in time

She could not.

Originally posted by montrail
Giant Size X-men #1 and Uncanny X-men #147...I said that already didn't I?

Which Storm can manipulate to go faster. Now I know she can't make them go VERY high because that sprobably beyond her, but she can still manipulate them so she hasa very useful advantage.

She could draw the elelectromagnetic energy from his brainwaves for more weather phenomena. She has many sources. She has even charged Vessel past his endurance before.

I wouldn't say that if I were you. Storm can create electricty out of no where with the "Air Molecules" in the air.

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Err...well, I did say it. And I'm me. So now I'm lost.

She does not have unlimited reserves. She can wear herself down. Quite easily, too, IF she's not careful (which she has a tendency to forget at times).

And she can only make the winds go as fast as the Earth's environment/atmosphere will alow.