ThankGod I finally did it! Now anyone who wants me to show proof of the stuff I said ask again because I am too lazy to look back myself.
Heres the link since that one is too small. I don't know why it isn't big enough.
http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sch27wp.jpg
P.S. Can we post more than 1 attach.
This is when she uses her electricty to jumpstart Cables heart.
And again that is too small so here's the link:
Heres when she does the same to Hulk. Now keep in mind she could do the same to Namor within a split second.
Sorry about the lateness DC🙁
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Superman can't breathe underwater. So he could not survive there?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or if Namor held his breath. He could not survive there?
Again, I’m not trying to say he is not highly durable.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
A goldfish can survive in water. Can it go as far as it wants?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The ability to breathe not the only one that makes up the fact that Namor survives there. You still forget his massive durability, which has enabled him to survive such things as re-entry from space, and take a full hit from Mjolnir straight to head.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If ability to breathe would be the only one that makes up for it, then explain me how Namor is able to go farther and deeper then other Atlanteans or other creatures of the sea?
A major problem in working at great depths is the tremendous weight of water. Oceans, like the atmosphere, exert pressure on the surface upon which they rest. For example, a one inch by one inch column of the earth's atmosphere resting on Earth's surface weighs 14.7 pounds. Weight of the atmosphere, like the weight of the sea, is of little concern to the native inhabitants immersed in one or the other of the environments.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
100 Kilopascals would be nothing to him.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I doubt it was thousands of times greater...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Seeing as he can fly faster then the tornados spinning speed, I think so..
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Scans? Issue number?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He can absorb force of a miniature hydrogen bomb with a smile on his face.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How about the fact that every time her power is described it says that she manipulates weather/weather patterns. Manipulating air particles itself would be telekinesis, and what would stop him from manipulating other particles too?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
She does not manipulate air.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes, but that clap was still a pathetic one. Cable's didn't even get any injuries in his ears.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Issue?Are you sure that she just did not use her power over weather to do that?
He is very fast.
I still have doubts with this statement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 60mph not fast enough? Compare to Storm's winds, that is just pathetic.
Plus, Storm have heat energy on her side. Drying up Namor isn't that difficult to do. And she can do that in a matter of minutes. And while doing that, she has more arsenal to throw at him to get him distracted. Storm is a smart woman, she recognizes Namor's powers and advantage and she has proved in the past (Danger room with Jean, the Phalanx) that she is resourceful enough to utilize her abilities to downgrade her opponent's advantage.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Superman and Namor have two different level of durability. Sups durability greatly exceeds Namor. IIRC, somebody actually told me that Superman withstood an explosion that destroyed a planet.
Indeed, but my point was that you don't need to be able to breathe somewhere in order to be able to withstand great pressures...high durability is enough...
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Yeah, he would survive but he would also feel the pressure of the water. Something he wouldn’t have to worry about if he equalized his system by releasing the air.
His massive durability would help him survive at those pressures even without breathing...just look at his other durability feats.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Again, I’m not trying to say he is not highly durable.
So why debate that something like 100 kilopascals would hurt him?
Oh yeah, I know it's not Namor but quite same principle...Aquaman was able to get up first of the JLA when they were subjected to immense pressure on ground...notice that the pressure was high enough to hold Superman.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4894/jlamidsummersnightmare990bt.jpg
And he was able to go further then Dolphin...though they both are able to breathe in the sea.
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9924/aquamangoesforaswim015ic.jpg
Originally posted by HandOfFate
There are a couple of things here, one a goldfish would die because it’s a fresh water fish and its system couldn’t compensate for the change to saltwater. Two, If I somehow teleported the poor fish to the bottom of the ocean, it would die rather quickly because of the pressure. Now if I gave it time to get use to the pressure that would be another story.
So are you saying that if goldfish would be able to survive in salt water and you'd give it time, it could survive in the bottom of the ocean?
Originally posted by HandOfFate
IMHO, you’re confusing his natural durability with his ability to survive at the bottom of the sea. His natural durability has little to do with his ability to withstand the water pressure. You should be more impressed with his uncanny ability to expel air to equalize his system so fast and his resistance to the cold water at that depth.
One of his powers is to adjust to any kind of cold...
And I am not confusing them. I am saying that the other one helps the other. Hence, why he is able to go farther then other Atlanteans, whose body only helps them to survive in the depths they have evolved in.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
He might be able to go farther then most Atlanteans but not all the creatures f the sea, seeing that we know there life at the bottom of the sea floor.
But he can still survive in more environments then the fishes of the sea floor...let's explain it like this.
An Average Atlantean can survive in middle sea environment.
So can Namor.
Average human can survive in normal atmospheric pressure.
So can Namor.
A deep sea fish can survive in bottom of the sea.
So can Namor.
None of the above can survive in zero pressure environment of the space.
Except Namor.
If his breathing is the only thing helping him to survive in those environments...then why doesn't his blood boil and lungs explode in space, for example?
Originally posted by HandOfFate
A major problem in working at great depths is the tremendous weight of water. Oceans, like the atmosphere, exert pressure on the surface upon which they rest. For example, a one inch by one inch column of the earth's atmosphere resting on Earth's surface weighs 14.7 pounds. Weight of the atmosphere, like the weight of the sea, is of little concern to the native inhabitants immersed in one or the other of the environments.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
That’s debatable.
He can survive in pressure of 0 kilopascals...he can survive in pressures of 100,000 kilopascals...why not 100? Why would he not be able to survive in 100? It would still contain oxygen, and Namor was able to survive in space without breathing, even...Namor's durability alone would be able to take 100 Kpa with ease.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
We don’t know that.
We do by looking at the picture...the effects would have been considerably different.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
So he would run form it? IIRC, her tornado have strained Magneto even though he was anchoring himself with a magnetic field (Uncanny 150)
Magneto did not use his forcefield on that instance, so he simply was a normal human anchoring himself in the ground...
Namor, however, is hundreds of thousands of times more durable then normal humans...and he would not run from it, he would fly through it.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
She does it in almost every comic she ever been in. Think about it, she dodges energy attacks all the time.
Eh...can you name an example? 🤨
She might have been shot by an human, which would be different since she could see where the blast was aimed...
Do you have examples of her reacting to something that has already killed her before she can form an thought? Let's say something that can think hundreds of times faster then she can and can accelerate to Mach 1.5 instantly?
Originally posted by HandOfFate
As you said down below, it must have been a pathetic one.
It made Hulk himself fly from shores of Russia to Moscow...it wasn't
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Marvel says she does it psionically. This means Storm psionically project mental energy into the atmosphere to take control of the weather systems. The only psionic energy pattern we know that allows one to manipulate matter is telekinesis. So apparently, Storm does possess telekinesis but it’s a specified form of telekinesis. (This was actually point out in the Science of the X-Men). Oddly enough, she has controlled other forms of matter outside of the weather system (ocean current, making earthquakes and summoning solar winds). So she can manipulate other form of matter.
It's called Atmokinesis, ability to mentally affect the weather.
She controls weather systems of the atmospheres she is in. Sea, earth, or space.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Again, I don’t understand why you think she can’t manipulate air
Because she can't. She controls weather patterns. It has been a fact for dozens of years.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Yeah, just as pathetic as the hydro bomb. 🙂
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Hydrobomb hurt the Hulk.
The thunderclap did not hurt a man with human durability standing NEXT TO HULK.
Difference.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
There really wasn’t a weather system to deal with seeing she was on the surface of the moon in Stryfe’s base (X-Men 16). IIRC, she also spoke about manipulating the air in Uncanny X-Men 137. Not sure if this counts but there also Wolverine 39, where she manipulate the air pressure to blow up two houses and Uncanny X-Men 311, where she sense the movement of snowball through the air without turning around and looking to see it.
The moon was probably under the effect of the atmosphere of space surrounding it...she has controlled solar winds before, hasn't she? I'm not sure what the snowball example would show...? That she senses stuff through the weather patterns? The Wolverine example would just show her manipulating another weather phenomena, not air itself.
Originally posted by RisingStorm
I still have doubts with this statement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 60mph not fast enough? Compare to Storm's winds, that is just pathetic.
You are following the handbooks that are full of mistakes.
In comics, Namor has gone past Mach speeds, has been mistaken as missile, has not been left far behind of Iron Man's and Firelord's blasts and Thor's hammer, has caught up with fighter jets, etc...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerAverage human can survive in normal atmospheric pressure.
So can Namor.
But an average human could not asurvive with pressure under Storms control.[quote]He can survive in pressure of 0 kilopascals...he can survive in pressures of 100,000 kilopascals...why not 100? Why would he not be able to survive in 100? It would still contain oxygen, and Namor was able to survive in space without breathing, even...Namor's durability alone would be able to take 100 Kpa with ease.
Eh...can you name an example? 🤨She has dodged Cyclops lasers.She might have been shot by an human, which would be different since she could see where the blast was aimed...
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It's called Atmokinesis, ability to mentally affect the weather.
She controls weather systems of the atmospheres she is in. Sea, earth, or space.
P.S. Where the heck did this tread come from? 😕
DC,
Sorry about that. I didn't know you replied to my post🙂. I'll try to reply to the rest of your post soon.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Magneto did not use his forcefield on that instance, so he simply was a normal human anchoring himself in the ground...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler Eh...can you name an example? 🤨]
You know she fights sentinels all the time right. Unless you think sentinels have normal human reaction time.
Also...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler Do you have examples of her reacting to something that has already killed her before she can form an thought? Let's say something that can think hundreds of times faster then she can and can accelerate to Mach 1.5 instantly?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It's called Atmokinesis, ability to mentally affect the weather.She controls weather systems of the atmospheres she is in. Sea, earth, or space.
Because she can't. She controls weather patterns. It has been a fact for dozens of years.
She was hit by Colossus being thrown into her. She's been knocked down by a brick to the head. Her reaction speeds are human.
She doesn't control air in the same sense that Iceman controls water, or Dr Light controls all things light, her manipulations are gross not particulate and she's prone to exaggeration.
