Namor vs. Storm

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Knowing Storm she would take namor out as quickly as possible knowing how much he could harm her if given enough time. She would go all out and would be relentless. Namors arrogance would stop him from doing something such as throwing rocks from afar. What you're forgetting CM is the range of Storms power. Even if he did fly far away he would still be within the effective range of her power. She could still attack him very effectively from a long distance. That is the very reason why people like her and Magneto are given a 5 on the marvel energy projection ratings.

Perhaps, I"m all ears, and I dont disagree at all with her power.

Thats the problem its her power. Its her power driven to win these fights, if she's nailed she's dead.

Tell me whats her best bet?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Perhaps, I"m all ears, and I dont disagree at all with her power.

Thats the problem its her power. Its her power driven to win these fights, if she's nailed she's dead.

Tell me whats her best bet?

Her best bet is to be ruthless and take him out as quick as possible and from a distance. Namors is no match for her in the sky that is completely her domain. Soon as he's airborne winds will bring him under control. Her best bet is to put some distence between them, inhibit his flight by disabling his wings via a flash freeze and then she should proceed to batter the life out of him via her winds.

I guess freezing the wings would work, but I don't know about winds, I think he could handle that.

Thanks, I can see what you're saying now.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Namor has no chance against Storm in the sky. His best chance would be to throw projectiles at her continuosly until she is taken out, however we know Namor just wouldnt do that because of his arrogance.

It takes Storm seconds to generate a hurricane so namor being of comparable speed really isnt good enough. What is all of this talk about reaction time. If storm was engaging Namor h2h then that would factor in but i think you boys have confused yourselves. Storms powers are controlled and executed psionically. Her powers are all directed and focused by her mentally so her reaction time doesnt really come into it. Namor would fly at her Storm would fly away from him, seconds later he would be engulfed in a hurricane initiated by Storms mental command. Then the various methods she can use to take him out are mentioned above.

CM what is all of this talk of spells? It is a mutant power it has nothing to do with magic it is the psionic manipulation of energy patterns. Her generation of lightning and sun lasers is virtually instantaneous, whereas hurricanes manifest in second or so.

Namors is more durable but Storms arsenal is capable of bypassing that durability. Namors arrogance will also make him engage Storm head on which will be his downfall

If Namor is fast enough to keep up with fighter planes...

Do you know how fast the German planes went on WWII? Fastest of them went 400-500 miles per hour. Namor was able to fly and put one down with ease when he was about 10-14 years old. I have the issue right here. Now, imagine what speeds he is able to go as an adult. Namor does tricks such as flying after plane, grabbing it, then hitting another plane with the other one, all the time. He needs to be pretty goddamn fast to be able to catch the plane, then hit another as it comes towards him with full speed.

As Namor can react LOT faster then Storm, he will get to her before she can do anything, unless they start very far away. Namor may be arrogant, but you seem to think that he is stupid. He is more intelligent then Storm is. Maybe in his youth, he attacked even the strongest of opponents without no remorse, but nowadays, after 100 years of fighting, I think he knows when to attack and what speed to use. Especially when he has met Storm before.

Let me explain it through this picture:

hysterical hysterical hysterical

Man I love those, do a spiderman/wolverine one.

Maybe I do...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If Namor is fast enough to keep up with fighter planes...

Do you know how fast the German planes went on WWII? Fastest of them went 400-500 miles per hour. Namor was able to fly and put one down with ease when he was about 10-14 years old. I have the issue right here. Now, imagine what speeds he is able to go as an adult. Namor does tricks such as flying after plane, grabbing it, then hitting another plane with the other one, all the time. He needs to be pretty goddamn fast to be able to catch the plane, then hit another as it comes towards him with full speed.

As Namor can react LOT faster then Storm, he will get to her before she can do anything, unless they start very far away. Namor may be arrogant, but you seem to think that he is stupid. He is more intelligent then Storm is. Maybe in his youth, he attacked even the strongest of opponents without no remorse, but nowadays, after 100 years of fighting, I think he knows when to attack and what speed to use. Especially when he has met Storm before.

Let me explain it through this picture:

Yeah right. LMAO @ "he will get to her before she can do anything.

I guess Storm is a damn novice who never fought anyone before, right? You know, one-time leader of the X-Men who has NEVER fought anyone with powers of flight before, right?

You know, Storm? Who kicked Callisto's ass with her bare hands? The one who stabbed Marrow through one of her hearts after Marrow stabbed Wolverine through the throat?

Storm has ZERO fighting skills; she just floats in the air and looks pretty. Let you all tell it anyway.

Hulk can jump and overtake an ICBM in flight so he can theoretically jump at Wolverine before he can react right? What garbage.

Theorycraft at its best.

Namor is quite fast. You can't deny it. Or how he could catch those planes if he could only fly 60 mph? It's not theory. I think it is fact that the can fly as fast as WWII fighters. And you obviously didn't read the post where I showed picture of Namor dodging sonic attacks. Let me find one where he dodges bullets.

Who cares how fast he flies? Hulk jumps way faster than Namor can fly -- so Hulk can just JUMP at Wolverine before Wolverine can react, right? Using the very same logic you use.

Like Storm will just sit there.

"Smack me like the pimp you are, Namor."

Originally posted by Never
Who cares how fast he flies? Hulk jumps way faster than Namor can fly -- so Hulk can just JUMP at Wolverine before Wolverine can react, right? Using the very same logic you use.

Like Storm will just sit there.

"Smack me like the pimp you are, Namor."

Uh...I'm not really sure what you are meaning. If Namor is fast enough to cross the distance in second and he can react faster then Storm, why wouldn't he do it? Or are you saying that Namor will just stand there and let Storm hit him with everything that Claremont's crazy mind has ever created? 😕

Originally posted by Never
Who cares how fast he flies? Hulk jumps way faster than Namor can fly -- so Hulk can just JUMP at Wolverine before Wolverine can react, right? Using the very same logic you use.

Like Storm will just sit there.

"Smack me like the pimp you are, Namor."

And didn't I just say that he was fast enough to dodge an Mach 1 attack? 🤨

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Uh...I'm not really sure what you are meaning. If Namor is fast enough to cross the distance in second and he can react faster then Storm, why wouldn't he do it? Or are you saying that Namor will just stand there and let Storm hit him with everything that Claremont's crazy mind has ever created? 😕

And, once again, you speak as if Storm has NEVER battled an opponent who flies (and since when did Atlanteans have increased reflexes) before.

She has. Countless times. Pound for pound Storm is the better fighter. Strip Namor of his strength (make him human, in other words) and she beats his ass.

Point being, again, like she'll just float in the sky? And he flies fast. You are assuming that he instantly attains his top velocity, right? Namor is not Flash, never has been. He has to accelerate like any other with the power flight.

No, he cannot get there before she can react.

I can dodge a mach 1 attack if I know it is coming. Can he dodge it at point blank range? No. Is he faster than a lightning strike? No. And since when was his being able to dodge a "Mach 1 attack" canon? Never.

As a matter of fact, let's call you out on your random World War 2 fighter plane comment. No World War 2 fighter planes did between 500-600 miles per hour. Air Force F-15E Fighting Eagles in the 90's did a little over more than 900mph.

WWII fighter planes MOSTLY did below 400mph, and one or two I'm willing to bet touched 450.

Mach 1, by the way, is the speed of sound (760 mph).

Originally posted by Never
And, once again, you speak as if Storm has NEVER battled an opponent who flies (and since when did Atlanteans have increased reflexes) before.

She has. Countless times. Pound for pound Storm is the better fighter. Strip Namor of his strength (make him human, in other words) and she beats his ass.

Point being, again, like she'll just float in the sky? And he flies fast. You are assuming that he instantly attains his top velocity, right? Namor is not Flash, never has been. He has to accelerate like any other with the power flight.

No, he cannot get there before she can react.

I can dodge a mach 1 attack if I know it is coming. Can he dodge it at point blank range? No. Is he faster than a lightning strike? No.

Normal Atlanteas don't have increased reflexes. Namor has. Unless you don't know it, Namor isn't normal Atlantean. 🙂 The Mach 1 attack was coming from few feet away. Namor has dodged bullets from few feet away. He has better reflexes then Storm does. Namor is also prince of warrior race. He has had the best training that the Atlantis has. Compare that with his 100 years of experience. Namor is better fighter. You say that Namor can't also attain his top speed very fast. Well, he can do it faster then Storm can, Storm has to call the winds to lift her. He can go in flight faster then Storm can. I never said that Namor will drop her out from sky. He will drop her before she can go in flight, or when she has lifted himself in air, Namor has enough speed to drop her from there.

Show me instances of "increased reflexes." Crap on him dodging bullets; Spiderman is barely able to do that. Namor = Spiderman in reflexes? Not on your life (unless you are referencing a CURRENT Namor who must have been upgraded considerably. Old Class 85 Namor damn sure couldn't).

I'm willing to bet Namor's not a better fighter than Storm is pound for pound.

You don't know what Namor's top speed is and Storm has faced faster opponents (um, ever heard of Northstar? Aurora?) with the power of flight so why are you assuming that he'll be able to reach her before she can react? He can't. He does not instantly reach top speed.

Storm does not have to fly to fight.

So I'm assuming this match takes place on the ground?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
So I'm assuming this match takes place on the ground?

Probably have to ask the original poster. I'm just saying she's comfortable in air as well as on the ground.

Originally posted by Never
Show me instances of "increased reflexes." Crap on him dodging bullets; Spiderman is barely able to do that. Namor = Spiderman in reflexes? Not on your life (unless you are referencing a CURRENT Namor who must have been upgraded considerably. Old Class 85 Namor damn sure couldn't).

I'm willing to bet Namor's not a better fighter than Storm is pound for pound.

You don't know what Namor's top speed is and Storm has faced faster opponents (um, ever heard of Northstar? Aurora?) with the power of flight so why are you assuming that he'll be able to reach her before she can react? He can't. He does not instantly reach top speed.

Storm does not have to fly to fight.

Increased reflexes:

Namor surely is lot more better fighter then Storm. Storm started training with Wolverine when she was...30. Now shes...40. Her previous career was thief. She might have been okay, but Namor started training when he learnt to walk. He got the best training Atlantis has. Experts of every area. Now he is 100 years old. He wins in experience and skill.

And you can tell me the issue number where Storm fights Aurora and Northstar...and is she faster then they are? No. Can she react faster then Namor can? No. Is Namor fast enough to catch her? Yes.

I really don't know why we are debating here.

Originally posted by Never
Show me instances of "increased reflexes." Crap on him dodging bullets; Spiderman is barely able to do that. Namor = Spiderman in reflexes? Not on your life (unless you are referencing a CURRENT Namor who must have been upgraded considerably. Old Class 85 Namor damn sure couldn't).

I'm willing to bet Namor's not a better fighter than Storm is pound for pound.

You don't know what Namor's top speed is and Storm has faced faster opponents (um, ever heard of Northstar? Aurora?) with the power of flight so why are you assuming that he'll be able to reach her before she can react? He can't. He does not instantly reach top speed.

Storm does not have to fly to fight.

Namor is faster than Spiderman for one. When Namor fought Mimic, he punched him so fast that he "barely saw the punch coming." Mind you Mimic has Northstars speed.

Namor was always able to dodge bullets and even high tech tank laser blasts. Even "Old Class 85" Namor.

Is storm A better h2h fighter than Cap? Namor bested him in h2h. Even had an advantage over Wolverine in their first encounter, although the fight was interrupted.

Sorry, enhanced speed is not the same as enhanced reflexes.

Uncanny first met Alpha Flight in Uncanny #121. Do you have the issue?

Namor's training as a warrior is not the issue. I said that I'm willing to bet that, if stripped of his Atlantean attributes, Storm beats his ass. Did you read that? As a HUMAN. Is Cap HUMAN? He has super soldier serum. Was Namor HUMAN when he fought Cap?

I said that I'm willing to bet Storm trumps him IF HE WAS SIMPLY HUMAN. NO Atlantean attributes (hello SPEED, hello STRENGTH).

Who cares if she cannot FLY FASTER than Aurora or Northstar? Is she RACING them? No. Point is that as an X-Man she has faced COUNTLESS individuals with the ability to fly who are faster than Namor.

Is Namor faster than lightning? No, not even close. Is he faster than the speed of thought? No, not even close. So do tell how he'll be able to reach her before she can "react?"

He cannot reach her before she can react unless they are standing 5 paces from her.

Sorry, Namor punching someone "so fast that they did not see the punch coming" in no way proves that he is quicker than Spiderman. Northstar is limited (at least WAS) to roughly the speed of sound.

SPEED is not the same thing as REFLEXES.

Show me where he dodges bullets via reflexes at close range. Never saw it.