Originally posted by DarkCrawler
One instance of Namor beating on Cap. While talking on the same time...
Black Panther's ancestor stomped Cap. What does that prove? That Black Panther's ancestor is quicker than Spiderman?
I'm not certain what you're showing with the picture...other than Namor beating on Cap.
Originally posted by Never
Sorry, enhanced speed is not the same as enhanced reflexes.Uncanny first met Alpha Flight in Uncanny #121. Do you have the issue?
Namor's training as a warrior is not the issue. I said that I'm willing to bet that, if stripped of his Atlantean attributes, Storm beats his ass. Did you read that? As a HUMAN. Is Cap HUMAN? He has super soldier serum.
Who cares if she cannot FLY FASTER than Aurora or Northstar? Is she RACING them? No. Point is that as an X-Man she has faced COUNTLESS individuals with the ability to fly who are faster than Namor.
Is Namor faster than lightning? No, not even close. Is he faster than the speed of thought? No, not even close. So do tell how he'll be able to reach her before she can "react?"
He cannot reach her before she can react unless they are standing 5 paces from her.
Sorry, Namor punching someone "so fast that they did not see the punch coming" in no way proves that he is quicker than Spiderman. Northstar is limited (at least WAS) limited to roughly the speed of sound.
SPEED is not the same thing as REFLEXES.
Show me where he dodges bullets via reflexes at close range. Never saw it.
So...wait, you say dodging sonic attack from nearly point blank range is not good reflexes? Damn, if that isn't then I don't know what is...
Namor is able to react faster then normal humans. So he can fly towards Storm faster then she can react. You seem to think that opponent must be faster then lightning or thought to be able to catch Storm...last I checked, Storm was as fast as normal human...with normal human reactions...not as fast as lightning.
And that time on Exiles fight, if he can hit someone who can go SPEED OF SOUND (Actually, Mimic by that time was able to go faster then that, he broke sound barrier multiple times) so fast that he barely can see it, isn't fast?
By your logic, Flash wouldn't be able to dodge bullets, since SPEED is not same then REFLEXES. I think that Flash is able to dodge bullets. 😉
If Namor would be stripped from his superhuman powers, he would still have his skills and experience in fighting. Storm would get his ass beat down.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...wait, you say dodging sonic attack from nearly point blank range is not good reflexes? Damn, if that isn't then I don't know what is...Namor is able to react faster then normal humans. So he can fly towards Storm faster then she can react. You seem to think that opponent must be faster then lightning or thought to be able to catch Storm...last I checked, Storm was as fast as normal human...with normal human reactions...not as fast as lightning.
And that time on Exiles fight, if he can hit someone who can go SPEED OF SOUND (Actually, Mimic by that time was able to go faster then that, he broke sound barrier multiple times) so fast that he barely can see it, isn't fast?
By your logic, Flash wouldn't be able to dodge bullets, since SPEED is not same then REFLEXES. I think that Flash is able to dodge bullets. 😉
If Namor would be stripped from his superhuman powers, he would still have his skills and experience in fighting. Storm would get his ass beat down.
1. That was not even close to "point blank range." The gun/individual who shot it was not even in the picture. "Point blank range" is MY GUN to YOUR CHEST, TOUCHING or close to touching.
THAT'S point blank range.
No, Namor cannot fly at Storm faster than she can react. You're WRONG. Does she have to recite an incantation to summon wind? NO. She THINKS, it HAPPENS. You are trying to say that he can FLY at her before she can even form a THOUGHT.
You're WRONG. That's FLASH type speed which Namor is not even close to.
Perhaps I am not being clear (since it says you're from Finland). You say Namor, when IN THE AIR, can chase down a WW2 airplane. That's fine. He is already moving then.
He has to ACCELERATE. He does not take one step and instantly fly at 450 mph. If I'm not mistaken, for something to be a BLUR to another it has to be ~the speed of sound. For fear of applying real world laws of physics, how many people consistently move at a blur? Flash. Wonder Woman can. Superman can. Quicksilver, Impulse.
Not. Namor. He is NOT fast enough to simply bonk her unless they are EXTREMELY close. You are simply misinterpreting his ability to keep up with that fighter plane.
Speed is not the same thing as reflexes. Why can a cat follow a fly with its eyes but humans have a difficult time doing so? Is that SPEED or REFLEXES? Do all boxers with super hand speed have super reflexes? No.
You can be fast without having enhanced reflexes (and that PICTURE said SPEED, not REFLEXES). There's a huge difference. Hmmm...if you were able to run at 760 miles per hour suddenly do you think you'd necessarily be able to dodge objects also? If I put a wall in your path you'd run smack into it because you have regular reflexes. Does that make ANY sense?
So what Namor would have skills and experience. He has a completely different fighting style than Storm has. That means JACK. Wolverine supposely has what, at least 50ish years of figthing experience? Isn't he SUPPOSED to be well versed in martial arts? Funny how he still encounters SUPERIOR martial artists? Simply saying "he has more fighting experience" means nothing. Wolverine has WAY more experience than Elektra. What happened?
I'll just agree to disagree. No way in hell can Namor fly at Storm at bonk her before she can react.
Originally posted by Never
Sorry, enhanced speed is not the same as enhanced reflexes.
Namor has both.
Originally posted by Never
Is Namor faster than lightning? No, not even close. Is he faster than the speed of thought? No, not even close. So do tell how he'll be able to reach her before she can "react?"
Namor doesnt have to be faster than lightning. Storm isnt even faster than lightning. What does that have to do with anything?
Originally posted by Never
He cannot reach her before she can react unless they are standing 5 paces from her.[QUOTE=4538906]Originally posted by Never
[B]Sorry, Namor punching someone "so fast that they did not see the punch coming" in no way proves that he is quicker than Spiderman. Northstar is limited (at least WAS) to roughly the speed of sound.
Northstar is faster than Spiderman. Mimic has Northstar's speed, and he barely was the punch coming. 1+1=2.
Originally posted by Never
SPEED is not the same thing as REFLEXES.
Like i said, Namor has both.
Originally posted by Never
Show me where he dodges bullets via reflexes at close range. Never saw it.
Wish granted.
Old Namor dodging laser cannons. More resent Namor dodging multiple ak-47's. Old Namor dodging at point blank range as you asked. And Mimic with Northstars speed barely seeing the punch coming. 😄
Originally posted by jrodslam
Namor has both.
Prove it.
Namor doesnt have to be faster than lightning. Storm isnt even faster than lightning. What does that have to do with anything?
I never said she was. Point being Namor cannot hit Storm before she strikes his ass with lighting. That's what relevance it has.
Northstar is faster than Spiderman. Mimic has Northstar's speed, and he barely was the punch coming. 1+1=2.
Speed does not equal reflexes.
Like i said, Namor has both.
Prove it.
Wish granted.
They are about the size of stamps when I click on them. If you have the issue numbers I'll just purchase them myself. I can see neither the type nor the pictures.
Originally posted by Never
No, Namor cannot fly at Storm faster than she can react. You're WRONG. Does she have to recite an incantation to summon wind? NO. She THINKS, it HAPPENS. You are trying to say that he can FLY at her before she can even form a THOUGHT.He has to ACCELERATE. He does not take one step and instantly fly at 450 mph. If I'm not mistaken, for something to be a BLUR to another it has to be ~the speed of sound. For fear of applying real world laws of physics, how many people consistently move at a blur? Flash. Wonder Woman can. Superman can. Quicksilver, Impulse.
I'll just agree to disagree. No way in hell can Namor fly at Storm at bonk her before she can react.
Storms reflexes arent faster than Northstars. Mimis couldnt react before Namor hit him. Namor wasnt accelerating either. He was simply hovering and talking to him. He was only about 3 steps away. No way Storm can react to that.
Ok GS is back after a lil break to sort this out. Never, you've held the fort well im proud of ya lol. Let me deal with this.
DarkC you've gone from accepting that Namor can fly at 60mph, to thinking Namor is of comparable speeed, to suddenly saying he's much faster than Storm. You're wrong, very wrong. As Never said WW2 planes top speeds were about 400mph. Namor outpacing a sound wave for a small distance does NOT mean he can travel at mach speeds. If a cheetah ran at me from a small distance away i could outpace it for a dozen feet before it reached me. Does that mean im faster than it?
None of Namors bios have ever talked of him having enhanced reflexes. He is greater than the average Atlantean in terms of speed and strength but thats the limit to my knowledge. Unless you can prove credibly thats just not the case. I mean Callisto had superhuman reflexes as do Marrow and Wolverine yet Storm has caught them unawares in duels. Thor has thrown Mjolnir at Storm from a short distance away and yet she dodged it. Despite those feats im not claiming Storm has superhuman reflexes DC. Learn from my example.
Storm and Namor as per new evidence seem to be of comparable flight speed. In the lastest handbook they both ave the same speed rating which further cements this. Lets say as per your evidence that Namor can fly around 400mph. Storm with no effort flies at the speed fasy winds usually reach which is around 300 mph but when a significant enough situation arises she can warp weather patterns to reach mach speeds.
DCwhy all this business about reaction times. Namor doesnt have enhanced reflexes as ive tried to explain to you just having showings of him reacting to situations quickly doesnt enable you to then list enhanced reflexes as one of his powers , as much as i know you'd like to. Namor will not be able to fly at Storm and strike her down before she can act or get out of harms way. Not when they fly at comparable speeds.
Namor is not more intelligent than Storm. None of his comic book appearances suggest that he is. For Christs sake in the face of immediate danger Namor would ignore all and prefer to battle his team mate the Hulk. He has an intelligence rating of 2 Storm has one of 3 i believe. Normal Vs Learned.
Namors advantages in this fight are his strength and durabiity. Things which Storms arsenal can overcome. Suspended in the air, being tossed about in hurricane winds, his strength with no option for application would be rendered useless and he would eventually be battered senseless. His durability isnt such that it can allow Namor to endure being propelled into the environment repeatedly by hurricane winds and bombarded with "sun lasers". In such a circumstance he simply can not apply hi sstrength and he's not fast enough to negate the effects of her winds. The winds are at her mental control and she would not give him a moments respite. If he managed to escape he would be engulfed again and taken out.
His only chance are projectiles because he would not be permitted to approach her. Given that they would not be his first option due to his arrogance Storm knowing the harm he could potentially do to her would not give him the oppurtunity. He gets taken out with a hurricane wind battering and sun lasers.
Originally posted by Never
Prove it.[/B]
Did you not see the scans? You asked for a scan of him dodging a point blank gun shot, and i did. Thats reflexses. And the cop tried to sneak up on him at that.
Originally posted by Never
I never said she was. Point being Namor cannot hit Storm before she strikes his ass with lighting. That's what relevance it has.[/B]
From the beginning we've been saying that Namor absorbs lightning. That type of attack is nulled.
Originally posted by Never
Speed does not equal reflexes.[/B]
Like i said before, Namor has both.
Originally posted by Never
Prove it.[/B]
Once again, look at the scan.
Originally posted by Never
They are about the size of stamps when I click on them. If you have the issue numbers I'll just purchase them myself. I can see neither the type nor the pictures. [/B]
Ill try to make them bigger.
