A normal person can dodge a bullet from quite a close range if they are forewarned that the enemy is going to shoot. For example if the person body language and manner telegraph their actions before they actually fire. If you had showed a spray of bullets and Namor was dodging all over the place in between and over them then fair enough, but that is not sufficient evidence, especially when his bio makes no mention of such features which it would for such a physically orientated character
Originally posted by Never
Guys, come on. Do you see where it says "thus they fire BLINDLY?" I mean, I can run and dodge random gunfire for awhile.It says that their guns try to catch him in their sights but they cannot follow him -- that is evidence of speed, yes.
Yes speed. Meaning hes moving too fast for them to get a clear look at him. That was one pic posted for speed, Never.
Originally posted by Never
I see clouds behind him. How close are they?Do you all know what "point blank" means? I see the "bullet trace signature" which means that the bullet has been flying for awhile before it even came close to Namor.
Lol. Those arent clouds. Its smoke from Hulk bashing the Tanks.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Four...
Now, according to YOUR interpretation he was about a meter away. Notice that the gunman is BEHIND the machine in front of Namor (the white box shaped machine).
One meter = three feet. Look at Namor's RIGHT hand. It is not CLOSE to the machine. His HEAD is arguably a few feet away from the machine.
So you're telling me INCLUDING the machine and the space between Namor and the machine that gunman is within THREE FEET?
No way.
I saw speed in the pictures which I've never disputed. Nothing "point blank range." Nothing showing "enhanced reflexes."
Lol. Those arent clouds. Its smoke from Hulk bashing the Tanks.
Smoke. Noted. Respond regarding the tracer signatures beneath the bullets which indicate distance travelled.
It said he barely saw it coming, therefore he did actually see it. Northstar travel at mach speeds. He can theoretically travel at 99% of light however he travels at nowhere near that because of the atmosphere and the fact that it would tear up his body and cause harm to all of his teammates. Therefore he travel at mach speeds. Mimic travels at half of that speed. Not impressive. You're scans are showing that Namor is fas and strong which was never in doubt. They do not however show that he has superhuman reflexes.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its more than just punches fast. Namor wasnt even in arms reach of Mimic. He had to advance toward him in order to punch him. Mimic didnt even see it coming.Continue on, Never.
First you say "barely saw it coming." Then you say he didn't "even see it coming." Which is it? A little continuity, please? There is a difference between the two. And again, I never said anything about his speed. I've always known Namor to fly (and was he flying in the panel before that picture?).
I've responded above.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ok GS is back after a lil break to sort this out. Never, you've held the fort well im proud of ya lol. Let me deal with this.DarkC you've gone from accepting that Namor can fly at 60mph, to thinking Namor is of comparable speeed, to suddenly saying he's much faster than Storm. You're wrong, very wrong. As Never said WW2 planes top speeds were about 400mph. Namor outpacing a sound wave for a small distance does NOT mean he can travel at mach speeds. If a cheetah ran at me from a small distance away i could outpace it for a dozen feet before it reached me. Does that mean im faster than it?
The 60mph thing was before I realized that he was able to keep up with fighter planes.
None of Namors bios have ever talked of him having enhanced reflexes. He is greater than the average Atlantean in terms of speed and strength but thats the limit to my knowledge. Unless you can prove credibly thats just not the case. I mean Callisto had superhuman reflexes as do Marrow and Wolverine yet Storm has caught them unawares in duels. Thor has thrown Mjolnir at Storm from a short distance away and yet she dodged it. Despite those feats im not claiming Storm has superhuman reflexes DC. Learn from my example.DCwhy all this business about reaction times. Namor doesnt have enhanced reflexes as ive tried to explain to you just having showings of him reacting to situations quickly doesnt enable you to then list enhanced reflexes as one of his powers , as much as i know you'd like to. Namor will not be able to fly at Storm and strike her down before she can act or get out of harms way. Not when they fly at comparable speeds.
Read the scans. Storm can't react to that speed.
Namor is not more intelligent than Storm. None of his comic book appearances suggest that he is. For Christs sake in the face of immediate danger Namor would ignore all and prefer to battle his team mate the Hulk. He has an intelligence rating of 2 Storm has one of 3 i believe. Normal Vs Learned.
I depends on comic. Namor suffers from mood swings. In one Fantastic Four comic, he is citing Shakespeare. But when he gets angry, he is pounding Richards face. Namor is respectable business man who has gained fortunes with his business skills. He is intelligent. But true, it always doesn't show in battle. But he doesn't need much intelligence to fly towards Storm and bounce her...
Namors advantages in this fight are his strength and durabiity. Things which Storms arsenal can overcome. Suspended in the air, being tossed about in hurricane winds, his strength with no option for application would be rendered useless and he would eventually be battered senseless. His durability isnt such that it can allow Namor to endure being propelled into the environment repeatedly by hurricane winds and bombarded with "sun lasers". In such a circumstance he simply can not apply hi sstrength and he's not fast enough to negate the effects of her winds. The winds are at her mental control and she would not give him a moments respite. If he managed to escape he would be engulfed again and taken out.His only chance are projectiles because he would not be permitted to approach her. Given that they would not be his first option due to his arrogance Storm knowing the harm he could potentially do to her would not give him the oppurtunity. He gets taken out with a hurricane wind battering and sun lasers.
Storm is taken out by Namor before she can do anything. But let's assume that it won't happen and Storm gets away.
It takes pretty damn powerful winds to even move Namor in air. He is gifted flyer, it has been said that he is as skilled in air as he is in sea, and with century of experience, I don't doubt it. He could dodge things that Storm throws at him. The hurricanes don't show up on second. Namor would be constantly at move, and he could reach Storm pretty much with ease. Lightning, Storm's most used attack doesn't have any effect on Namor, in fact it helps him, and if he gets close to Storm, it's over for her. He takes full force pounds from Savage Hulk and Thor and gets right up, the winds are not doing nothing to him. And what if he dodges the sun lasers? He has dodged lasers before.
Originally posted by Never
Now, according to YOUR interpretation he was about a meter away. Notice that the gunman is BEHIND the machine in front of Namor (the white box shaped machine).One meter = three feet. Look at Namor's RIGHT hand. It is not CLOSE to the machine. His HEAD is arguably a few feet away from the machine.
So you're telling me INCLUDING the machine and the space between Namor and the machine that gunman is within THREE FEET?
No way.
I saw speed in the pictures which I've never disputed. Nothing "point blank range." Nothing showing "enhanced reflexes."
Smoke. Noted. Respond regarding the tracer signatures beneath the bullets which indicate distance travelled.
First off, Namor didnt even see the cop walk in. He had his back turned. Namor had reflexses fast enough to turn around and dodge the shot. 3 feet for a bullet take less than a second.
In comics bullets show tracer signatures about 90% of the time. Close range mid range or long range.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Read the scans. Storm can't react to that speed.
Nobody has proved this.
Storm is taken out by Namor before she can do anything. But let's assume that it won't happen and Storm gets away.
Or this either.
And lol @ Storm being limited to lightning and wind. As I said, someone has some research to do.
I did also say I'll just agree to disagree. Those scans proved nothing.
But carry on.
Namor has never been said to have superhuman reflexes, he has never been shown to have superhuman reflexes. He might react really fast to certain stimuli however so does storm and many other mutants not listed as having superhuman reflexes. Its down to their training and the nature of their work.
At the end of the day his arrogance would betray him. He would confront Storm head on and get frazzled by sun lasers. His flight would be inhibited via a flash freeze to his wings and then he would get pummeled across the environment in hurricane force winds.
Originally posted by Never
First you say "barely saw it coming." Then you say he didn't "even see it coming." Which is it? A little continuity, please? There is a difference between the two. And again, I never said anything about his speed. I've always known Namor to fly (and was he flying in the panel before that picture?).I've responded above.
Barely. With Northstars speed barely means alot. Considering he didnt even have time or the "reflexes" to avoid it.
No Namor wasnt flying in the panel before the picture. He was hovering while talking. Namor was not advancing in any way.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Barely. With Northstars speed barely means alot. Considering he didnt even have time or the "reflexes" to avoid it.No Namor wasnt flying in the panel before the picture. He was hovering while talking. Namor was not advancing in any way.
Its half Northstars speed Jrod, half his reflexes and Namor was spotted
Originally posted by jrodslam
First off, Namor didnt even see the cop walk in. He had his back turned. Namor had reflexses fast enough to turn around and dodge the shot. 3 feet for a bullet take less than a second.In comics bullets show tracer signatures about 90% of the time. Close range mid range or long range.
Did you people notice this?
Originally posted by Never
So it says he punches fast. Okay.
Punches fast. Also moved fast enough to close the distance between two of them that Mimic didn't notice it.
And half of 99% of lightspeed is LOT.
Name fast people that Storm has defeated. On the issue you mentioned, Never, Northstar knocked her out, so...