Originally posted by chithappensTHANK YOU!
Someone please break down a compelling Superman story for me. I just don't see how he is EVER in danger.
Being a hero is about sacrifice and risk. Two things Clark knows absolutely nothing about.
But anyway this isn't the place for that discussion. And I'm trying very hard to quit cluttering up good threads with my anti superman rants.
As valid as I may feel they are regardless.
Originally posted by chithappens
Someone please break down a compelling Superman story for me. I just don't see how he is EVER in danger.
He's been killed about three times in Post-Crisis continuity.
The entire Gog storyline sucked, but it'd one of those stories you'd read if you just want to see Superman's life in danger. That and probably Ending Battle, plus the whole Ruin storyline.
IMO, some good Superman stories/comics are:
Last Son
Up, Up and Away
The Current Action Comics arc
Whatever Happened to The Man of Tomorrow?
For The Man Who Has Everything
What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?
Return of the Krypton Man
Red Glass
Superman For All Seasons
All Star Superman
I love Blind Superman Hate... you can never really get enough of it 😆
Superman is a great hero because, despite the fact that he's not a human, he does everything in his power to be the ultimate role model.
Nothing compelling he's ever done except sacrifice his life to save all of metropolis during the Doomsday Crisis 🙄
And don't tell me that it's not compelling because he came back, since that would make every marvel, dc, image etc. just as non compelling as the next.
Originally posted by chithappens
Someone please break down a compelling Superman story for me. I just don't see how he is EVER in danger.
First of all Superman has been closer to death more often than Batman IIRC. His life has been in danger plenty of times due to K-Nite, Red Sun, or simply Doomsday beating the crap out of him.
Second of all, for as much as it is possible for Batman do die b/c he is human, you know he isn't going too simply because he is the F*ckin Batman. You should know there are certain characters that no matter how much danger they're in, are simply not going to die (at least not for good) b/c of how much money they bring in.
Superman has goos stories yes, but often times the character comes across as uncompelling, one-dimensional.
Basically Superman suffers from his own Mythos sometimes. I mean if Superman does something crazy, what do most people say.
"He did it cause he is SUPERMAN"
So anytime fault or weakness is associated with the character it receives some backlash because if Superman is flawless then he isn't Superman. So on average he kind of gets dicked over by his own Icon story.
I mean let's look at Superman Returns. That was Iconic Superman at his best. Unmatchable in power, and just doing crazy shit. Also look at how unwell received it was.
Superman kind of has this doomed if he does, doomed if he doesn't deal going on. It sucks for the character cause he often gets tied down by it, but he has such good character potential.
Now for the question at hand who would DC kill off. Superman or Batman.
One thing is that there are people to take up the Batman Mantle that have been developed for it without any problems. Although there are plenty of Superman clones that could probably be eased into the roll just as well.
But let's be honest here Money is going to be the key factor.
Batman brings more in comics, was doing it in shows, and definitely does it in movies department.
Also you got to think of what will be gained by killing one of them off. Which ones death would generate the most revenue. Honestly "permanently" killing off the Icon that is Superman, comic book's founding hero, will generate a lot of revenue for DC. While Batman has always had great long runs of viable revenue.
Plus Batman generally has better long term sustainability. He can be from street level events to the major ones.
Superman generally hangs around in limbo(Sustained Plots) until the big events some around.
So I think DC based on Money and long term plans would kill off Superman more than Batman.
Why simply because DC could live without Superman.
Originally posted by Newjak
Superman has goos stories yes, but often times the character comes across as uncompelling, one-dimensional.Basically Superman suffers from his own Mythos sometimes. I mean if Superman does something crazy, what do most people say.
"He did it cause he is SUPERMAN"
So anytime fault or weakness is associated with the character it receives some backlash because if Superman is flawless then he isn't Superman. So on average he kind of gets dicked over by his own Icon story.
I mean let's look at Superman Returns. That was Iconic Superman at his best. Unmatchable in power, and just doing crazy shit. Also look at how unwell received it was.
Superman kind of has this doomed if he does, doomed if he doesn't deal going on. It sucks for the character cause he often gets tied down by it, but he has such good character potential.
Now for the question at hand who would DC kill off. Superman or Batman.
One thing is that there are people to take up the Batman Mantle that have been developed for it without any problems. Although there are plenty of Superman clones that could probably be eased into the roll just as well.
But let's be honest here Money is going to be the key factor.
Batman brings more in comics, was doing it in shows, and definitely does it in movies department.
Also you got to think of what will be gained by killing one of them off. Which ones death would generate the most revenue. Honestly "permanently" killing off the Icon that is Superman, comic book's founding hero, will generate a lot of revenue for DC. While Batman has always had great long runs of viable revenue.
Plus Batman generally has better long term sustainability. He can be from street level events to the major ones.
Superman generally hangs around in limbo(Sustained Plots) until the big events some around.
So I think DC based on Money and long term plans would kill off Superman more than Batman.
Why simply because DC could live without Superman.
All very true.
And also as much as I do think his coming back does nullify his dying for the world. Its how I feel about almost all unlasting comic death. Take Colossus for example. He died about the most heroic death there is and they screwed it by bringing him back. IMO
But with Superman, for me at least, its more so about the how he came back than anything.
As if he doesn't have enough power and abilities and what not whenever he needs it. He can also apparently refuse to stay dead!
Hell if he can't even die then whats the point of him being at risk, if the even could be? 😬
Originally posted by pr1983Hey I'm not against Superman, but let's be honest unless you are a die hard collector of all of his things. Then most of what you say will be meaningless as a use of comparison. You've got to go by the average, and average has Superman kind a lacking in many aspects, IMO because he is so Iconic. That nobody, except for a few, want to see a weak or emotional Superman.
meh, i'm not going to write another pro superman rant, i've done it enough over the years, if people don't like him, fair enough i guess...
They want a Superman who is just SUPERMAN.
It's odd but I think Superman is like an Action hero in real life. Everybody sees him as SUPERMAN, and that leaves little room for him to be just Superman. 😛
And don't worry Avlon, or JUntai, or Val will come on and agree with you pr.
😛
Originally posted by Entity
As if he doesn't have enough power and abilities and what not whenever he needs it. He can also apparently refuse to stay dead!
It was revealed in some comic where Superman was talking to Dr. Occult.
Originally posted by Newjak
Hey I'm not against Superman, but let's be honest unless you are a die hard collector of all of his things. Then most of what you say will be meaningless as a use of comparison. You've got to go by the average, and average has Superman kind a lacking in many aspects, IMO because he is so Iconic. That nobody, except for a few, want to see a weak or emotional Superman.They want a Superman who is just SUPERMAN.
It's odd but I think Superman is like an Action hero in real life. Everybody sees him as SUPERMAN, and that leaves little room for him to be just Superman. 😛
And don't worry Avlon, or JUntai, or Val will come on and agree with you pr.
😛
...i'm biased, but i'm not blind... 😛
i've read bad superman, just like everyone else...