Originally posted by pr1983I thought DC retconed all the bad stuff to make it seem good hmm
its often enough... but the good outweighs the bad imo...
but at the same time I think there is enough bad for me to think that Superman has kind of gotten bogged down by his own name. He's like a piece of property that has been so productive, and has become so protected. That in the end he seems to have very little true wiggle room. Which for me sucks cause I think he has such great potential.
Originally posted by Newjak
I thought DC retconed all the bad stuff to make it seem good hmm
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I agree I think the good outweighs the bad,but at the same time I think there is enough bad for me to think that Superman has kind of gotten bogged down by his own name. He's like a piece of property that has been so productive, and has become so protected. That in the end he seems to have very little true wiggle room. Which for me sucks cause I think he has such great potential.
in what sense? as a character, or power wise?
Superman Blue was great I thought and Red & Blue even better.
but just like always his fans and DC couldn't stand for him not to be prefect so it just snapped right back to the way it was without any real explainion.
It's ok thou, I'm sure they'll completely bs there way outta it eventually.
If they haven't already
Originally posted by Entity
Superman Blue was great I thought and Red & Blue even better.but just like always his fans and DC couldn't stand for him not to be prefect so it just snapped right back to the way it was without any real explainion.
It's ok thou, I'm sure they'll completely bs there way outta it eventually.
If they haven't already
they have gone out of their way in the last few years to show how imperfect he is; how he sees himself, and how he struggles to define his place in the world...
for tomorrow, the journey, sacrifice... if you've read em already, read em again!
Originally posted by pr1983Both
in what sense? as a character, or power wise?
Yes I know there are stories that delve into what it is like to be Superman.
But when I compare those to others it really lacks IMO.
To me the character always has to be SUPERMAN, he just can not be Superman. His own Iconic nature doesn't allow him to be.
Seriously how much potential does Superman have.
Do you think if he was any other character but Superman any writer on board wouldn't have tapped that potential regularly.
It's Superman gets handled with kid gloves in that aspect. Mostly I think because most fans don't want to see a fallible version of him. Both Power wise and Emotional wise.
Originally posted by pr1983Like I said when I compare those to others I find them lacking.
they have gone out of their way in the last few years to show how imperfect he is; how he sees himself, and how he struggles to define his place in the world...for tomorrow, the journey, sacrifice... if you've read em already, read em again!
I think the best way to say it is,
No matter what he goes through in a comic, at the end of the day he is still SUPERMAN, and it seems like he will always be SUPERMAN. That he can never be anything more than SUPERMAN.
Originally posted by pr1983I have read For Tomorrow and journey and I'm sorry but I just don't buy it.
they have gone out of their way in the last few years to show how imperfect he is; how he sees himself, and how he struggles to define his place in the world...for tomorrow, the journey, sacrifice... if you've read em already, read em again!
The guy who's got and always had everything and never does anything wrong has deep inner concerns about not being one of us, even thou he looks just like us and is loved by everyone on his earth. Or the fact that he misses something he never actually had when he was raised in the perfect family with every power a kid could want to boot.
I just don't buy the I've got problems that wouldn't bother anyone else but they bother me because I'm Superman. 😬
It just puts me in mind of a spoiled little rich kid crying, "You just don't understand how hard it is to have everything!"
Originally posted by pr1983
they have gone out of their way in the last few years to show how imperfect he is; how he sees himself, and how he struggles to define his place in the world...for tomorrow, the journey, sacrifice... if you've read em already, read em again!
Or...you could go read one of the best and most beautiful stories ever made again.
Kingdom Come. 🙂.
Originally posted by Newjak
Superman has goos stories yes, but often times the character comes across as uncompelling, one-dimensional.Basically Superman suffers from his own Mythos sometimes. I mean if Superman does something crazy, what do most people say.
"He did it cause he is SUPERMAN"
So anytime fault or weakness is associated with the character it receives some backlash because if Superman is flawless then he isn't Superman. So on average he kind of gets dicked over by his own Icon story.
I could have put it like this but I will simply co-sign. It's not a blind "hatred."
I like Superman. I just find it hard to be moved by him lately because everyone is going to those "he can't do it because he's not motivated" or "Oh no, kryptonite!" storylines.
Originally posted by SoljerOh I do love Kingdom Come!
Or...you could go read one of the best and most beautiful stories ever made again.Kingdom Come. 🙂.
Superman an old washed up has been. Now turned recluse because he actually lost something for real. Captain Marvel beating his ass. And then him finally almost going apeshit because he can't take being the boyscout anymore.
Of course he stops and doesn't go completely ape shit. But it was nice to see him actually read to for once!
Originally posted by chithappens
I like Superman. I just find it hard to be moved by him lately because everyone is going to those "he can't do it because he's not motivated" or "Oh no, kryptonite!" storylines.
Doesn't sound like most of the recent Superman storylines.
Camelot Falls
Last Son
Back in Action
Redemption
Originally posted by Entity
Oh I do love Kingdom Come!Superman an old washed up has been. Now turned recluse because he actually lost something for real. Captain Marvel beating his ass. And then him finally almost going apeshit because he can't take being the boyscout anymore.
Of course he stops and doesn't go completely ape shit. But it was nice to see him actually read to for once!
I think you're misinterpreting the storyline, very heavily.
Superman wasn't a has-been, he was pretty much viewed as friggin' Jesus. Everyone was waiting for his second coming, and when it finally came, the entire world fell into line.
And Captain Marvel and Superman were pretty evenly matched as far as actual fighting goes. Marvel's magic lightning both gave him an edge and proved his undoing.
*shrugs*
See, the way DC thinks is like this...Superman dies....who is going to save earth now? The obvious answer is Captain Marvel. To them that's not good enough. We all know DC treats CM like a step child and Superman is their beloved son. So you'll never see Captain Marvel over Superman now or ever. Even if Captain Marvel possess all the powers superman can tap...you won't see CM over Superman.
With Batman is totally different. Neither Dick, Tim or even Jason can come near the status of Bruce. You can never replace Bruce.
Batman or Superman...it's just never easy to pick one over the other.