Originally posted by Rogue JediProbably, it's one of the major Star Wars Comic Books as far as I am aware.
Shit, I was gonna ask you to scan it. Guess I can order it online?
It's also worth it. One of the better written ones I know. Great portrayal of Boba as well as Vader, too.
It's a good start into the Star Wars Comic Book EU
Originally posted by Bardock42Tackling the SW comic universe will be the final frontier for me as far as immersing myself in the saga.
Probably, it's one of the major Star Wars Comic Books as far as I am aware.It's also worth it. One of the better written ones I know. Great portrayal of Boba as well as Vader, too.
It's a good start into the Star Wars Comic Book EU
Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually, that's the point. When Vader fought Boba he did use the force, but Boba could still react, which gave him the advantage in the end.
Show me the attack that he used, was it choke? Crush maybe? Do you actually know that he used a force attack or are you just guessing that he did? I'd like to see the context.
And that's what annoys me, the Star Wars fanboys go into every debate assuming that the opponent is a low level stormtrooper.
Well, no. There's no "assumption" about it. It's a fact that Dumbledore might as well be a stormtrooper. Because he's not beating Yoda.
And I still don't see why the word fanboy is being tossed around. Just because Yoda would wipe the floor with Dumbeldore and Luke would wipe the floor with mortal Neo doesn't make anyone a fanboy. That's like calling someone a fanboy because they say Superman would WTFdestroy Wolverine in a fight with ease. It's just a fact. If it's not, show me proof to the contrary.
No one has bothered to give a coutner argument to my point about Dumbledore losing not because his attacks are weaker, but slower to use. I’ve posted it maybe three times… but people have been, coincidentally, ignoring it. Before the term “fanboy†is thrown around anymore I think that attention should be given to it. The closest thing to a decent counter is Bardock's thing about Vader vs. Boba.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Show me the attack that he used, was it choke? Crush maybe? Do you actually know that he used a force attack or are you just guessing that he did? I'd like to see the context.
I'd say it's force Stasis. Obviously it doesn't say "Beware, Boba fett, I am using the force power knowns as force stasis on you", but unless Boba is prone to paralyzing seizures I'd say it is pretty clear from the context.
Game Set and Match, then.
RJ is making the same mistake, though.
Force choke? Stasis? Choke takes time to kill you, you can be using that time to do something else. Paralysis isn't even lethal. Niether attacks would be useful. If Vader had used force crush, Boba would be dead. Force crush is instant death, it doesn't play around, it doesn't make you fall to your knees first and gasp, it just straight up... kills you. We've seen people scramble out of force chokes and fight off paralysis, but no one has ever resisted a force crush attack or having there neck violently thrown backwards because it doesn't take any time. It doesn't give the victim time to muster up some sort of defense or think of a distraction or anything else.
I think that if Yoda used force choke or tried some paralysis attack Dumbledore would cast some magic to save himself and possibly win the match. If Yoda just breaks his neck instantly, on the other hand, then it's just over. Because the crush is instantaenous and undetectable they don't have any time to do anything about it.
Christ, I am spending way too much ****ing time on this. Well, any ****ing who, I looked through my immense (and un-ordered) collection of comics and did find Enemy of the Empire (I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.' `That's the comics department.' `With a torch.' `Ah, well the lights had probably gone.' `So had the stairs.' `But look you found the comic didn't you?' `Yes,' said Arthur, `yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of The Leopard".) and lacking better faculties for getting pictures on a PC at the moment....took a photo of the pages. Well, ****alidee, here they are (German...as stated (also horrible quality, just so you know I actually do own the comic book I am talking about)
Vader using Jedi Mind Trick on Boba. Boba able to fight against it and ultimately escape it.
Vader using either force stasis or a strong form of total body force choke on Boba. Boba resisting and being able to even kick.
Now, lets keep in mind that it was stated that Vader was set to kill Boba. Lets also keep in mind that Vader is a bad ass dark side bastard kinda mother****er. And on top of that lets keep in mind how immensely valuable the prize they are fighting about is. And then...explain, why he (nor any other Jedi or Sith ever I can think of) did not use the force the way you describe it to kill Boba instantly, but instead let him own his Nubian ass?
And yes, yes, it is very, very much fanboyish to go into a debate, not objectively, but with the preset idea that the Star Wars character can not lose, without a doubt, assume that Godlike creatures like Dumbledore and Neo have the willpower of the common Java retard...far below anything a humanoid mandalorian (without force, magic or awesome endless Matrix power) like Boba Fett has. Yes, stating that Yoda would wipe the floor with Dumbledore, stating that NJO Luke would own Neo without a second thought, is fanboyish and in no relation to anything any Jedi ever showed in the movies or the 80+ EU Comics I read. Sorry, man, but a 10 out of 10 for either Yoda or Luke is in no way a given.
Originally posted by Impediment
crylaughWhat kind of cheddar cheese?!?
On a serious note, how could Dumbledore point his wand and say the magic words if he was "force frozen"?
Yoda seems to think that he is turned into cheddar. Delicious kind, I hear.
Well, I'd need a few questions answered first.
1) How well can Yoda freeze people?
2) What can people that are in stasis do?
3) How does Dumbeldore's magic ability, will power and possible spells relate to Yoda's force grip.
4) Can Dumbeldore use spells without speaking or signs?
Originally posted by ImpedimentFirst Cheese that I knew the English name of that came to mind. Also pretty common cheese. So..I didn't give very much thought to the specifics. I'm sorry 🙁
White cheddar? Mild? Spicy?(I also edited my last post with another question.)
I edited as well:
Well, I'd need a few questions answered first.
1) How well can Yoda freeze people?
2) What can people that are in stasis do?
3) How does Dumbeldore's magic ability, will power and possible spells relate to Yoda's force grip.
4) Can Dumbeldore use spells without speaking or signs?
I am not saying it is a realistic example. I just don't see Yoda usually snapping peoples neck with a thought. Also, I don't really know much about Dumbeldore, so I wouldn't go as far as to claim that he'd certainly win. But he's still pretty powerful it seems.
I think you sufficiently proved that "The Force" isn't the end all, be all in a fight, as the fanboys want to believe.
Edit: I also find it odd that the Jedi rarely use their force powers in a fight, sure they occasionally tossed shit aside, but they kill with their sabers and not these "uber" force chokes/holds.
Vader proved to us in The Empire Strikes Back how well the "force choke" works by strangling Admiral Ozzel over the T.V. set when he bumbled the surprise attack at the Battle of Hoth.
If any Jedi chose to, they could easily kill an opponent via the "force choke", beit to strangle or snap necks. However, a Light Side Jedi does not use The Force as an attack.
Originally posted by Impediment
Vader proved to us in The Empire Strikes Back how well the "force choke" works by strangling Admiral Ozzel over the T.V. set when he bumbled the surprise attack at the Battle of Hoth.If any Jedi chose to, they could easily kill an opponent via the "force choke", beit to strangle or snap necks. However, a Light Side Jedi does not use The Force as an attack.
It just wasn't instant. And also not against a powerful being. And also apparently not something he can do when it actually matters, like, for example, when he really, really wants something Boba Fett has.
Also, there's no indication that every Jedi can use force choke. Yoda never did to my knowledge. I do recall a specific Comic Book in which Anakin "discovers" the force choke for himself, which would imply that it is not really standard training. Also, are we to assume that Yoda would slip into the darkside in this fight or would he just use the powers he actually used?
Originally posted by Impediment
Yoda would use the Force as he saw fit. I imagine that, in the very last circumstance, if he had no other option, he would probably use a force choke. I mean, if he can lift an X-Wing out of a bog, why couldn't he snap a neck?
Likely cause the force affects sentient and living beings differently than dead matter. Either way, it seems pretty apparent that it doesn't work that easily. As no one really does it, ever.