Which Side Do You Support?

And it was Kun who was responsible for the Dark Reaper and he was responsible for Aleema causing the cron cluster stars to go super nova.

Bane also was responsible for the thought bomb which wiped out the brotherhood and jedi alike.

Revan also left worlds (prob. with billions of civilians) undefended purposely to make other worlds to fortified to attack,while it is a good strategy, I doubt any jedi or high ranking officer in the republic would do that themselves and his holocron sounds pretty evil/sith like to me.

None of that stuff even compares to Luke Skywalker level of evil, He blew up the Death Star, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of personel, not to mention all the others that he's killed and he doesn't even feel bad about it for 40 yrs!!!!!! He's Mega evil. Plus the Jedi are Evil becuase they practically kidnap infants and then teach them to kill people!!!! That's meanhearted that is.
And I think your mistaking Ruthlessness for Evil. None of those Sith enjoyed any of that (except for Maul but he was odd anyway).

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
None of that stuff even compares to Luke Skywalker level of evil, He blew up the Death Star, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of personel, not to mention all the others that he's killed [b]and he doesn't even feel bad about it for 40 yrs!!!!!! He's Mega evil. Plus the Jedi are Evil becuase they practically kidnap infants and then teach them to kill people!!!! That's meanhearted that is.
And I think your mistaking Ruthlessness for Evil. None of those Sith enjoyed any of that (except for Maul but he was odd anyway). [/B]

The personel luke destroyed were responsible for order 66 which slaughtered hundreds of jedi.
plus, it was UTILITARIAN to destroy the death star,
that same death star had just got finished blowing up a planet which had women and children on it.
(NOT TO MNTION THAT THIS BABY KILLING MECHANISM KNOWN AS THE DEATH STAR WAS CREATED THANKS TO A SITH KNOWN AS COUNT DOOKU)
jedi trained to kill ? please do some research on FORM ZERO of lightsaber combat.

Infants are not kidnapped but taken at the CONSENT of the parents, once the jedi find the baby to be force sensitive

jedi trained to kill ? please do some research on FORM ZERO of lightsaber combat.

Whatever. All I know is that by the time he was 14, Ben was already a murderer, thanks to the 'skillz' of the jedi. And didn't the 10 yr old Aurra Sing try to kill Qui-gon.

The personel luke destroyed were responsible for order 66 which slaughtered hundreds of jedi.
plus, it was UTILITARIAN to destroy the death star,

No, it was the Fett clones that carried out order 66 and they all died shortly after. The personel were innocent and there were even a number of Wookie slaves on there (Rise of Darth Vader), most of the personel were probably coerced and had families and stuff.
But Luke doesn't care does he? Nope.

Infants are not kidnapped but taken at the CONSENT of the parents, once the jedi find the baby to be force sensitive

Yeah, but they still separate kids from parents and manipulate them with guilt etc. And once they take the baby the parents never see them again, except in special circumstances (Roan Shyne). Furthermore, what right do they have to just take a child and completely decide their entire life for them, indoctrinating them from birth. In my eyes thats much worse than what most Sith do.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Whatever. All I know is that by the time he was 14, Ben was already a murderer, thanks to the 'skillz' of the jedi. And didn't the 10 yr old Aurra Sing try to kill Qui-gon.

No, it was the Fett clones that carried out order 66 and they all died shortly after. The personel were innocent and there were even a number of Wookie slaves on there (Rise of Darth Vader), most of the personel were probably coerced and had families and stuff.
But Luke doesn't care does he? Nope.

Yeah, but they still separate kids from parents and manipulate them with guilt etc. And once they take the baby the parents never see them again, except in special circumstances (Roan Shyne). Furthermore, what right do they have to just take a child and completely decide their entire life for them, indoctrinating them from birth. In my eyes thats much worse than what most Sith do.

1) "whatever" is not a good enough answer you need to be informed before you speak. Jedi are trained to protect and serve not to murder.

2) I guess the fact that the same death star killed millions of babies and that luke was being utilitarian is meaningless to you.

3) THE PARENTS CONSENT TO HAVING THE CHILD JOIN THE JEDI ORDER.

you say thats much worse than what the sith do.

please tell me how raising a child from birth is worse than enslaving the entire galaxy such as what siddious did.
please tell me how thats worse than destroying entire planets with the push of a button

Because in Exodus's "point of view", the Jedi are evil.

His view in nonsensical though.

please tell me how raising a child from birth is worse than enslaving the entire galaxy such as what siddious did.
please tell me how thats worse than destroying entire planets with the push of a button

Enslavement of the Mind is always much, much worse than anything you can do to the body. Forcing people to give up Love and even Hate is just about the greatest evil that I know of.
And they take them from uneducated peasants who don't realise what their doing untill too late.

See ya tommorrow!!!

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Enslavement of the Mind is always much, much worse than anything you can do to the body. Forcing people to give up Love and even Hate is just about the greatest evil that I know of.
And they take them from uneducated peasants who don't realise what their doing untill too late.

See ya tommorrow!!!

its not enslavement, the jedi have a right to leave the order.

and they dont always recruit froma peasants

DOOKU USED TO BE A JEDI AND WAS OF NOBLE BLOOD

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Enslavement of the Mind is always much, much worse than anything you can do to the body. Forcing people to give up Love and even Hate is just about the greatest evil that I know of.

They're not "enslaving" them into doing anything... you goose. Everything is done with free will, except for the occasional mind trick. Sith do worse though. They forcivly take you, THEN brainwash you into doing their will.

And they take them from uneducated peasants who don't realise what their doing untill too late.

Speculation. Prove it.

Man of Christ hit the nail on the head.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
or Bane, [/B]

check my sig. he puts his foot on a wounded persons face and squishes it because he called himself a sith lord.

You guys are bullshiting. They take them from anyone desparate enough to give up the child that they've nurtured and loved for 9 months and then never let them see them again. Dooku was an exception. And so what if they have the option to leave! The jedi have raised them for 20 yrs or so, they've essentially brainwashed them all their lives by telling them that they're going to be big, powerful jedi and by continually reinforcing why the jedi are so great and how their own life is meaningless untill the point when they instictively sacrifice themselves without a second thought!!!
At least the Sith offer a choice (except Sidious with Maul, but Sids is definately evil and I hate him).
And that thing with Bane wasn't evil, just Funny!! 😄 😄

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
You guys are bullshiting. They take them from anyone desparate enough to give up the child that they've nurtured and loved for 9 months and then never let them see them again. Dooku was an exception. And so what if they have the option to leave! The jedi have raised them for 20 yrs or so, they've essentially brainwashed them all their lives by telling them that they're going to be big, powerful jedi and by continually reinforcing why the jedi are so great and how their own life is meaningless untill the point when they instictively sacrifice themselves without a second thought!!!
At least the Sith offer a choice (except Sidious with Maul, but Sids is definately evil and I hate him).
And that thing with Bane wasn't evil, just Funny!! 😄 😄

there is almost no point in debating with you because you simply repeat yourself and dont address any of our points.

the parents have the OPTION of whether or not to give up thier child.
and the whole 9 months portion of your argument is just speculation.
youre just trying to appeal to people emotions. not all jedi are human so you cannot accurately tell that all gestation periods are 9 months.

THEY STILL HAVE THE OPTOION TO LEAVE THE ORDER.

and let me fininsh you off now

IF IT WASNT FOR JEDI LIKE LUKE, AND LIGHTSIDE REVAN, THE GALAXY WOULD STILL E ENSLAVED BY THE SITH AND PLANETS DESTROYED AT THE PUSH OF A BUTTON.

As ever, all this talk of moral ambiguity would be fine in some settings, but NOT Star Wars, which has a black and white morality.

Hence:

1. Everyone on the Death Star was evil and hence it was fine to blow them up as else all the good people would have died; no exceptions, no argument.

2. The Jedi are the good guys, therefore in the Star Wars setting everything they do is with good and moral reason, and this extends to their taking of force sensitves for training.

This kind of thing is simply unarguable in Star Wars. If you want that kind of thing, try Babylon 5 or Battlestar Galactica.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
As ever, all this talk of moral ambiguity would be fine in some settings, but NOT Star Wars, which has a black and white morality.

Hence:

1. Everyone on the Death Star was evil and hence it was fine to blow them up as else all the good people would have died; no exceptions, no argument.

2. The Jedi are the good guys, therefore in the Star Wars setting everything they do is with good and moral reason, and this extends to their taking of force sensitves for training.

This kind of thing is simply unarguable in Star Wars. If you want that kind of thing, try Babylon 5 or Battlestar Galactica.

IF IT WASNT FOR JEDI LIKE LUKE, AND LIGHTSIDE REVAN, THE GALAXY WOULD STILL E ENSLAVED BY THE SITH AND PLANETS DESTROYED AT THE PUSH OF A BUTTON.

If it wasn't for Jedi like Luke and Revan there wouldn't even be a Sith Order and even if there was then they wouldn't need to create a Death Star. And It could be argued that if you use something like the Death Star (Hiroshima) and scare all your opponants into submission then you may actually save more lives in the long run.

THEY STILL HAVE THE OPTOION TO LEAVE THE ORDER.

But very few do becuase the Jedi are all they've ever known and they've been indoctrinated their entire lives to believing in self-sacrifice etc. The Indoctrination of children is what I meant by Enslavement of the mind. Also the idea of no attachment, no emotions and no family is find to be morally repugnant.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
If it wasn't for Jedi like Luke and Revan there wouldn't even be a Sith Order and even if there was then they wouldn't need to create a Death Star.

LOL dude the sith order existed before revan and luke, ever heard of ajunta pall? marka ragnos? Exar kun?

nobody is gonna successfully scare palpatine when ha can have planets destroyed at the push of a button. so the only way to stop him was to destroy the death star

and again THE PARENTS AND THE CHILD HAVE THE OPTION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO LEAVE THE ORDER.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
If it wasn't for Jedi like Luke and Revan there wouldn't even be a Sith Order and even if there was then they wouldn't need to create a Death Star. And It could be argued that if you use something like the Death Star (Hiroshima) and scare all your opponants into submission then you may actually save more lives in the long run.

But very few do becuase the Jedi are all they've ever known and they've been indoctrinated their entire lives to believing in self-sacrifice etc. The Indoctrination of children is what I meant by Enslavement of the mind. Also the idea of no attachment, no emotions and no family is find to be morally repugnant.

But that's nothing compared to those monsters in the Jedi temple.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
maul: he slaughteres qui-gon, c'mon?

Maul is good in my books...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Qui-Gon was evil for existing.

Maul is good in my books...

Blasphemy Qui-Gon owns 😠 so does maul