Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay id I am sick of you claiming that I have never tried to locate you. I have pointed out how I locate you in EVERY summary post i've ever made. I didn't need to elaborate because you never once offered a defense against it.At the start of the fight, I locate you with the eye of Aggamoto, which will melt through all your illusions and the like. You have no way of hiding from it. Don't need to elaborate beyond that because that's just how simple it is.
Unless its stated that the Eye of Aggamoto is equal or superior to a primal force of the universe, the epitome of Pisonic Energies. Then its doubt full and meaningless attack since I have mental shields, and a pisonic armor constructed to fend off such attacks. To make matters worse, 10 times the amount of psi energy I wield is needed to knock me out.
Besides, you cant change your prep time, later on in the match to fit your needs.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Never changed a word of my prep time, it was the battle time I located you using. Doing it during prep would be illegal since I didn't buy spying. And yes, the eye could see through your shields, it has never failed to dispel any TP not even the IGs.
It didn’t dispell the IG TP. He simply did not submit to the temptations, emplaced in his minds. It was not a telepathic battle, as you try to make it out.
Oh and I want to clarify, that I didn’t go on to obtain the Phoenix Force. Just apply a mind link on Jean to gain her conscious (which benefice from intertwining with the Phoenix Conscious).
Though I retain Nate’s mind, I am merely transfixing and merging the mind which he has shown to do so on a multi-versal scale. This is something Nate has shown to do with out, unleashing his full potential nor am I doing it on a multi-versal scale, Its on a universal scale (actually Galaxy Wide).
I don’t need the body to link minds, just need to know of the pisonic signature and merge them. As Jean and Nate has shown. It helps that I know of Jeans psi signature, & it helps that I have her powers, to enforce I have plenty of psi energies (unique to each individual, like your fingerprints).
And despite all of this, I didn’t even apply the Omniscience in my strat or prep.
Unleashing Nates full potential was a stand alone, that he has shown to release and control. The comparison of the Phoenix Force and Nates Power was done by the computer reading in Moira MacTaggert. Let alone the narration, introductions, and comic book acrs or issues involving Nate Grey as the means to gain his so called “Limitless Powers”. - So no the idea that Nate is harnessing cosmic level energies are not farfetched, or even made up by myself. Those are made by marvel comics.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Also, there was an over-reliance for id on scans saying what Nate is capable of, but hasn't actually done. "This should extinguish stars!"...then we'd have a scan of Cable attacking that concert hall thing Austrailia. That's only 1 example among at least 3-4.
Psionic: [ Condensed Energy Blast ] - And yet these psinoic energy blasts, should hold enough force to move planets from its orbit. [ Askani'Son #3 ]
You misunderstood my claim or all of them. I stated I proceed with an multiform of attack, is use a psionic energy blast (inserted an image so you would know what I am talking about), but I am counting that Its “X” strong, since I have unleashed its full potential. And not going on its limited potential as both Ubber Cable or Shaman X-Man operate under.
Originally posted by id369
[B]Psionic: [ Condensed Energy Blast ] - And yet these psinoic energy blasts, should hold enough force to move planets from its orbit. [ Askani'Son #3 ]You misunderstood my claim or all of them. I stated I proceed with an multiform of attack, is use a psionic energy blast (inserted an image so you would know what I am talking about), but I am counting that Its “X” strong, since I have unleashed its full potential. And not going on its limited potential as both Ubber Cable or Shaman X-Man operate under. [/B]
See, but you still only have the limited potential power proven...the "unlimited" one is speculative, and remains at the opinion of whoever is judging. And if we went by peoples' words, the narration saying he could move planets, then every person in comic-dom would be a planet-buster, because they've all received such hype at one point or another.
My opinion stands as it applies to such scans that hint at more but don't prove anything. But I'm done now, because any more and it would no longer be clarifying my position and would leak into outright debate.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Good fight gents.I never bought id's premise, and Speed Limit will be too hard to touch and can react with any of Strange's spells almost instantaneously. id doesn't have Pheonix-Jean, but presumably would "heal" her into having it with Nate's tp. But to do that multiversal-level feat by combining parts of the pheonix consciousness, he'd need to unlock the potential that he says he'll only have once he has the pheonix might bolstering his powers.
The fact that he doesn't have Jean's mind is also problematic, because if he can piece together Jean's pheonix-consciousness without her mind, the implication is that just Nate, sans any sort of body switch or upgrade, could do it himself...quite a stretch. The psychometry tried to make up for it, but it's still grasping in eh dark at multiversal strands of consciousness.
The 30 meters per second was amusing, but a moot point imo. I admire Kandy for using the forum rules thing, but it's clear that to do some of the things Nate (or any telepath) has done, thought would need to travel far faster. Scans > rules, since it's just a guidepost for reference.
Also, there was an over-reliance for id on scans saying what Nate is capable of, but hasn't actually done. "This should extinguish stars!"...then we'd have a scan of Cable attacking that concert hall thing Austrailia. That's only 1 example among at least 3-4.
Voting for Kandy.
Anyway vote for Kandy for pretty much all the same reasons.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
See, but you still only have the limited potential power proven...the "unlimited" one is speculative, and remains at the opinion of whoever is judging. And if we went by peoples' words, the narration saying he could move planets, then every person in comic-dom would be a planet-buster, because they've all received such hype at one point or another.My opinion stands as it applies to such scans that hint at more but don't prove anything. But I'm done now, because any more and it would no longer be clarifying my position and would leak into outright debate.
Maybe it is hyperbole since we never saw him unleash its full power. After all he was going to die just because his body could not contain those powers with limitations set. But then again since his power were clocked (this was done twice on Nate) at being on being equal to that of a Cosmic entity. Then I have no doubt he can pull planets out of the orbit, or that he can extinguish starts, or that the combined telepath on Earth could match up to his Telepathy.
And its just not that his power was being clocked by two instruments or computers. One of the Elder Gods overloaded itself consuming the power, and then you have M’Kran crystal empowering and giving order to its Guardian to seek out and Judge Nate to see if he is stable enough to proceed in the 616 reality. To ignore all this, is to just fixate one self to the comments made by Rachael who was the previous host of the phoenix. Then yes you would judge or deem them as hyperbole. Reading through the entire X-Man run along with its tie in’s, plus most of Cable leads to me at least to calmly state that his full potential rivals cosmic entities.
But it does not matter, this gives me a good idea on how the forum views what’s plausible and what isn’t. Plus I can make modifications, to draw out his power more convincible.
Originally posted by id369
But it does not matter, this gives me a good idea on how the forum views what’s plausible and what isn’t. Plus I can make modifications, to draw out his power more convincible.
Personally, I always check out some of the past debates of my potential judges to get an idea of where they stand on my and my opponents characters going into the match. That kind of thing goes a long way when you're trying to figure out what kind of strategy you should use.
Yeah, that's always good to do. Tourneys are about how much you can "get away with." Experience is sometimes overrated, but that's one of the things that helps with multiple tourneys...trying enough to win but not too much to lose the trust of the judges.
Anyway, my opinion stands but no hard feelings. Good luck in the next round.
