Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bro already stated that he would not be on the level of Kyle or Hal, I think he could be one of the best (second tier), but I will settle for at least mid-tier. Already gave my reasons not going over it again.
Okie doke, then;
Originally posted by Soljer
No one here need prove that Frank'd be ineffective with a lantern ring.To ask us to is to commit the logical fallacy of 'negative proof.'
Rather, the burden of proof remains on the shoulders of those claiming that Frank would be on one of the best(second tier) (😆, Jesus ****, I can barely even type it with a straight face.).
And, thus far, you've proven absolutely dick.
Better?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Looks like you missed the point.
No alf, I was the one MAKING the point... doh
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok check this out ...I explicitly said that he said he couldnt beat the DCU, you then said that I did ie you misintepreted what I said, regardless..
As X said, you started out by arguing entirely in his favor and then toning down your arguments gradually as it was made painfully clear/obvious to you how ridiculous of an argument that it was.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok show me where I said that...this should be good.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
After 100 years he would be better because:1. Not the most powerful hero but one of the greatest willpowers in the MU. Im sure there are other aspects that make you a great GL but willpower is the most important aspect. Could Hal do the tings that Frank does without the ring?
2. Even if cyncism affect the power of GL rings he believes its possible to get his family back and this will be a powerul motivating factor.
3. He has lots and lots of time
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh I implied it. Thing cant even beat Superman and Flash and you intepreted him beating Thing as he can beat DCU, but when Soljer says that he cant clean the latrines or Frank could only use the ring as jewellery I cant take that literially? 👆
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats from October 2006. Ever heard of the concept that people can change their opinion????
Oh i'd say that's pretty damned obvious:
hulk vs. flash
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im not saying that Hulk wins im saying Hulk can get some hit in. IMO opinion Sentry has shown lightspeed flight and since he stated he was not holding back I think he wuld have flown at him at full speed.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
but Prof Hulk has had trouble hitting Spiderman and he was amped.
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneyet you have hald a dozen joke threads in your honor and more than half the people here think you're a joke by now..
Rubbish.
Originally posted by jinzin
No alf, I was the one MAKING the point... doh
No you werent.
Originally posted by jinzin
As X said, you started out by arguing entirely in his favor and then toning down your arguments gradually as it was made painfully clear/obvious to you how ridiculous of an argument that it was.
1. Irrelevant. I said that he cant beat the DCU you said I did.
2. I said Cap can beat Luke Cage, so he started a Superman vs Cap thread, why do I care what he thinks?
3. Hell I dindt even say that Frank can beat the DCU in the thread I created it was supposed to be a fun thread were I could find out the capabilities of the DCU, everybody else took it serioulsy. Just because I make a thread doesnt mean that I think the character wins eg Luke Cage vs Abomination.
Originally posted by jinzin
I cant find the quote with him saying that Parrlax will become his equivalent so i'll just yawn instead
Originally posted by jinzinYes you did, you used and are still using Thing as a point of reference for why you think he's a threat to the DCU....
Er no ive stated time and time again thats not the reason, but despite that you keep saying I am. You never misntepret what I say its me lying.
Originally posted by jinzinOh i'd say that's pretty damned obvious:
hulk vs. flash
Which I wasnt even arguing that he wins the majority just that he could hit him.
Originally posted by jinzin
lost around page 40 of the cap vs. wolverine thread.. I'm not gonna be bothered to go look it up only to see you ignore, backtrack, or otherwise make up excuses like you've been doing everyother time I've had to beat you with your own words.
Er no you didnt beat me to my words thats just you kidding yourself, you still havent given me an explanation for the examples ive talked about and even if you get that, thats only one example. So far all you have is one example of me changing my mind. Heres some more examples of you misintepreting me:
1.
Originally posted by jinzin
If you can't figure that out on your own then... well.. ok I guess I AM talking to the guy who thought that accurate aim was equivolent to speed. It's no wonder you have no grasp of the concepts at hand.
Originally posted by AlfheimWhich is not what I said. I said you need fast reflexes to hit Captain America....pay attention.
From the thread hes talking about
Originally posted by Alfheim
O god here we go again! Cap is a moving target, you need fast reflexes to hit a target with fast reflexes. What so you dont need fast reflexes to punch a fast opponent either?
2.
Originally posted by jinzinDid you just imply that when it comes to sheer speed that wonderman is more dangerous than spiderman?... 😐
Originally posted by AlfheimNo I didnt pay attention for the second time.
I go and get the quote he overlooked
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneFurther more WM would be more lethal in H2H than Spiderman because his MA is better.
3.
Originally posted by jinzin
God you're such a hypocrite.. You don't need to probve Cage's skills because it's his history?Yet roughouse who is described as a very skilled fighter in his bio needs to be proven a skilled fighter?
I then proceed to post recieve a post which he overlooked.....AGAIN.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No I think their is a misunderstanding. I should have specified what im concerned with is that you said Roughouse is MORE SKILLED.
I then proceeded to explain even further.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Abilities:
Roughouse is a skilled hand-to-hand combatant, [B]adept at STREET FIGHTING and BRAWLING.Abilities:
Cage is a self-taught hand-to-hand combatant with years of street fighting experiencePlease explain how Roughouse's bio makes him a BETTER FIGHTER than Cage. My point is that how is Rogughouse a better fighter, both their bios state that they are both skilled street fighters there is nothing to indicate that Roughouse is better.
My other point is that if anything it would seem that Cage has more experince because he has foguht along side alot of superheroes while Roughouse doesnt seem to have done this, sure has experience but I dont think he has the experience Cage has and that should give Cage the edge.
I dont know here this hypocrite thing is coming from. [/B]
Hence continued not calling me a hypocrite but note the flipping out and losing his temper and theres more....
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lol, flipping out and losing my temper.. 😂
You know exactly what that discussion was about, 2 pages of Creshosk making you look like a complete bafoon, and you backtracking as usual, I thought that you might want to avoid the humility this time.
And all those posts are about as relevant as Thing in the other thread.
We don't really have a clue what Frank would be capable of in a hundred years. Maybe after a hundred years he could beat Kyle, Hal, John, and Guy without breaking a sweat. I mean, Ollie Queen was able to slow down Sinestro after wearing an Oan ring for seconds . I'm sure that Frank could replicate the 'shooting an arrow' feat within a day, at least.
And then, on the other, maybe he wouldn't be able to figure out how to work the ring at all.
Basically, we don't have a clue either way. Frank usually shows pretty damn high amounts of will power and imagination, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'd be able to use the ring super-well- again with the Ollie example, it was explained that Ollie's will power was too 'tainted with cynicism." So maybe Franks anger would overpower his will.
I know I'd be terrified of Frank with a red ring, though. Dude hates a lot.
My point is, though, that this is kind of an argument that doesn't really make all that much sense.
I don't recall making a Superman vs Captain America thread. I may have, but I don't recall it.
Originally posted by Phantom ZonePray tell, how old are the quotes of mine and Soljer's that you decided to pull up from the dredges?
Thats from October 2006.
Were there (Hypo)Crises on Infinite KMCs that makes it impossible for opinions to change after October 2006?
Not that my opinion's particularly changed, I still think beating the Thing wouldn't require particularly large amounts of willpower, imagination or compatibility with a GL ring - it's just funny trying to use the age of post to justify a differing opinion while at the same time trying to imply a differing opinion based on old posts.
Originally posted by TetragrammatonAwesome.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't recall making a Superman vs Captain America thread. I may have, but I don't recall it.
Yeah you did but the one im refering to is Thor vs Captain America H2H. I said Mantis can KO Thor, therefore that means I think Cap can beat Thor H2H, its just another case of you taking what I say out of context. 😬
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Pray tell, how old are the quotes of mine and Soljer's that you decided to pull up from the dredges?Were there (Hypo)Crises on Infinite KMCs that makes it impossible for opinions to change after October 2006?
Ive actually got a reason for why I changed my mind the discussion happened in the Superman vs Hulk thread. I guess if I dont tell you that I think that Superman wins you will throw up a Hulk vs Parallax thread.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not that my opinion's particularly changed, I still think beating the Thing wouldn't require particularly large amounts of willpower, imagination or compatibility with a GL ring - it's just funny trying to use the age of post to justify a differing opinion while at the same time trying to imply a differing opinion based on old posts.
Awesome.
Theres a difference between changing your mind and twisting your arguments. Just look at this "we dont have to prove that Frank can beat Thing in 1 year argument for starters". I could be wrong but I would not be suprised if I put that same thread on this forum now you would argue that he cant do it because I posted it.
Originally posted by jinzin
lol, flipping out and losing my temper.. 😂You know exactly what that discussion was about, 2 pages of Creshosk making you look like a complete bafoon, and you backtracking as usual, I thought that you might want to avoid the humility this time.
How was he making me look stupid I said you need fast reflexes to hit a target with fast reflexes?
Originally posted by jinzin
lIf I cant counter your points i'll just say they're irrelevant or you're backtracking
👆 Ok. Anyway all you got is one example of me arguing against Wolverin ebing top tier. I cnat find the other quotes and quite frankly cant be bothered but i'll give you that bone, while I got ****load of examples of you misinterpreting my ****