Originally posted by chithappens
So you are suggesting what to alleviate the issue?
It's clear from his opinion and all the others in the thread: More sex education, More use of condoms and other protection.
That, apparently, is what will solve all of this.
But I can remember as 13 year old sitting down for a week straight in school and seeing all the videos, how sex works, different prevention methods, nasty pics of std infected penises and vaginas,...I'm tellin' you, it was pretty graphic, pretty easy to understand.
If you have sex, have safe sex, or else (Blank) might happen. (pregnancy, std's, etc...)
I got it, and knew exactly what they were saying. That was 12 years ago.
My assertation is this: Kids are being educated about it perfectly well.
They just don't listen. Pregnancy, STD's, hilarity ensues.
The "sex education" isn't making anybody smarter about sex.
That's why waiting until marriage was, is, and always will be the best choice.
Originally posted by sithsaber408My assertation is this: Kids are being educated about it perfectly well.
They just don't listen. Pregnancy, STD's, hilarity ensues.
As a kid in High School, I can confirm this.
Most teenagers know what an STD is, and know how you get them, they just don't care. Know one ever thinks it'll happen to them. They'll pull out, they'll use protection.. maybe, etc. It's like smoking. Everyone knows smoking is bad for you, that it'll kill you. Some people just don't care. They're willing to take the risk.
I think that society is going about this the wrong way. No matter what anyone does, it is completely impossible to prevent people from catching STD's. We should be focusing our efforts more on what do we do after they get it, because people will get it. We should be looking for cures, not prevention methods.
Originally posted by Devil King
that's bullshit. Even people who haven't had sex want it. That's why abstinence education doesn't work.
I agree. But virgins don't go "longing" for sex the way someone who already has had it would.
Virgins are curious, and thier first time is usually more fun than any other time they'll have sex. However, virgins go years without sex (during adolescence), and even though they crave it, they don't really know the difference yet.
Once you do have sex, it's reallly hard going longer than a month without it. Come on man...you're gay, you should know this.
And I also agree that Abstinence education doesn't work. I know. There's no argument there.
Originally posted by sithsaber408I don't trust that statistic at all, not only that, but I'm not in the US, so it doesn't apply to me.
updated 9:32 a.m. PT, Tues., March. 11, 2008CHICAGO - At least one in four teenage girls nationwide has a sexually transmitted disease, or more than 3 million teens, according to the first study of its kind in this age group.
A virus that causes cervical cancer is by far the most common sexually transmitted infection in teen girls aged 14 to 19, while the highest overall prevalence is among black girls — nearly half the blacks studied had at least one STD. That rate compared with 20 percent among both whites and Mexican-American teens, the study from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found.
About [b]half
of the girls acknowledged ever having sex; among them, the rate was 40 percent. While some teens define sex as only intercourse, other types of intimate behavior including oral sex can spread some infections.For many, the numbers likely seem “overwhelming because you’re talking about nearly half of the sexually experienced teens at any one time having evidence of an STD,” said Dr. Margaret Blythe, an adolescent medicine specialist at Indiana University School of Medicine and head of the American Academy of Pediatrics’ committee on adolescence.
But the study highlights what many doctors who treat teens see every day, Blythe said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23574940
There you have it: Almost half of teens who have sex get an STD of some sort.
What is the answer then? More sex education and condoms?
They've been doing that since I was 10, and I'm 25 now. Perhaps 15 more years of "education" will make sex for teens safe? [/B]
Originally posted by sithsaber408
My assertation is this: Kids are being educated about it perfectly well.They just don't listen. Pregnancy, STD's, hilarity ensues.
The "sex education" isn't making anybody smarter about sex.
That's why waiting until marriage was, is, and always will be the best choice.
ok
here is the thing
teaching abstinence only causes more pre-marital sex
so, if your goal is to really increase the number of people who wait until marriage to have sex, you would be in favor of the type of education that exists now.
You need to decide whether it is more important to you to have a society where less people are having risky premarital sex or if it is more important to have a strong moral stance against teaching kids about sex. These, unfortunately, seem to be mutually exclusive. Though, if you have any REAL research, rather than your own conjecture, I'd be happy to take it into consideration.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
It's clear from his opinion and all the others in the thread: More sex education, More use of condoms and other protection.That, apparently, is what will solve all of this.
But I can remember as 13 year old sitting down for a week straight in school and seeing all the videos, how sex works, different prevention methods, nasty pics of std infected penises and vaginas,...I'm tellin' you, it was pretty graphic, pretty easy to understand.
If you have sex, have safe sex, or else (Blank) might happen. (pregnancy, std's, etc...)
I got it, and knew exactly what they were saying. That was 12 years ago.
My assertation is this: Kids are being educated about it perfectly well.
They just don't listen. Pregnancy, STD's, hilarity ensues.
The "sex education" isn't making anybody smarter about sex.
That's why waiting until marriage was, is, and always will be the best choice.
Guess what, kids are listening and waiting until marriage, so there goes your "best choice". Sex Education is shitty at best, it needs to be revamped and taught at an adult level to kids (along side with abstinence). I.E. "Abstinence is safest, but if you're going to have sex, here's what you NEED TO KNOW."
Many teens aren't aware that STDs can be transmitted orally, they're all but ignorant. Condoms should be made available to teens and for free. They're going to **** no matter what you teach them, abstinence or not; that is a fact. The best solution is to have them throughly informed about sex on an adult level and to have the items that make sex safer easily available.
indeed
allow me to make a more specific statement of correlation:
Abstinence only education is related to higher levels of pregnancy and risky sexual when compared with proper sexual education (numbers associated with no education would be interesting).
Cause was not the proper word (heaven forbid someone on a msg board use language in a way that would not be acceptable to the editorial board of science) as any type of education is likely not the "cause" of pre-marital sex. Certainly, abstinence only education exacerbates the issues raised by sithsaber when compared to proper education.
ooooooooh, next can we discuss the sampling practices and possible confounds associated with authoritarian parenting style?
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Giving out condoms because they're going to have sex anyway is like giving people tasers because they're going to shoot each other anyway. At least they won't be bleeding to death on the sidewalks, eh?
a tazer is a weapon which can be used in harming someone.
a condom is a piece of latex you put over your penis which can harm nobody (unless a child with a tiny head manages to suffocate in it)
it was a fallacious analogy