chickenlover:
No worries. What you said about the Christian Crusades and the Muslim Jihad struck a chord. It is very similar, in my opinion, to many of the Nazis' defense when accused of crimes against humanity:
"We were just following orders!"
The sooner we all learn to stop shifting responsibility, in my opinion, be it to a higher power or a Higher Power, the better off we would all be.
I'm getting a little off-topic here, but in a sense, I don't really blame Robert Mugabe for the terrible atrocities he has committed against the people of Zimbabwe. Yes, he is a terrible, selfish, uncaring and thoughtless tyrant, but so what? There are thousands of his ilk. Rather, I blame the people of Zimbabwe for ALLOWING him to retain power for so long.
I want to shout to them: "Stop blaming him! Stop laying all the responsibility on his shoulders! There are millions of you and only one of him! Why do you ALLOW him to keep on getting away with it? Why don't you start taking responsibility for your OWN destiny!?"
Sorry, just a mini-rant - it's getting a bit late here and I suppose I should start getting ready for bed...
Thanks for everybody's contributions - hope we can continue this tomorrow!
I wouldn't say that believing in God is the same as avoiding responsibility as much as I would say believing in God is a way to feel less guilty about avoiding responsibility. Not that all religious people are in it for the forgiveness, but some definitely are because of the bad choices they made in there lives that are so f*cked up.
Originally posted by Dreampantherthx for gettin my point.
chickenlover:No worries. What you said about the Christian Crusades and the Muslim Jihad struck a chord. It is very similar, in my opinion, to many of the Nazis' defense when accused of crimes against humanity:
"We were just following orders!"The sooner we all learn to stop shifting responsibility, in my opinion, be it to a higher power or a Higher Power, the better off we would all be.
I'm getting a little off-topic here, but in a sense, I don't really blame Robert Mugabe for the terrible atrocities he has committed against the people of Zimbabwe. Yes, he is a terrible, selfish, uncaring and thoughtless tyrant, but so what? There are thousands of his ilk. Rather, I blame the people of Zimbabwe for ALLOWING him to retain power for so long.
I want to shout to them: "Stop blaming him! Stop laying all the responsibility on his shoulders! There are millions of you and only one of him! Why do you ALLOW him to keep on getting away with it? Why don't you start taking responsibility for your OWN destiny!?"
Sorry, just a mini-rant - it's getting a bit late here and I suppose I should start getting ready for bed...
Thanks for everybody's contributions - hope we can continue this tomorrow!
Originally posted by chickenlover98
i think your wrong here. perhaps your misunderstanding the point? to my understanding is, her message is,with to much faith in god, our responsibility is lessened. ive felt this for a long time. it applies perfectly to muslims. god has TOLD me to blow up this van and kill 30 people therefore it is ok, is difinitely shirking responsibility. its not his fault its "gods."i've had a similar idea/feeling a while ago and kinda forgot tot write it down, but i completely agree. to an extent religion is a scapegoat to do things you normally would not be able to do. IE: the crusades. without religious authority giving the go ahead, this wouldnt have been allowed.
That's simply religious conviction outweighing any perceived duty to the greater good, or rather replacing it because they see their conviction as serving the greater good. In your scenarios, they aren't shirking responsibility because of God, they simply have different priorities. This thread is more about apathy than extremism.
So your comments are valid, just out of context.
Originally posted by DigiMark007i half agree half not. because it does apply. if a muslim straps himself with dynamite and runs into a crowd and blows himself up he isnt taking responsibility for what he's doing, because he's doing it because his religion tells him to. therefore to him, he isnt completely responsible for their deaths
That's simply religious conviction outweighing any perceived duty to the greater good, or rather replacing it because they see their conviction as serving the greater good. In your scenarios, they aren't shirking responsibility because of God, they simply have different priorities. This thread is more about apathy than extremism.So your comments are valid, just out of context.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
i half agree half not. because it does apply. if a muslim straps himself with dynamite and runs into a crowd and blows himself up he isnt taking responsibility for what he's doing, because he's doing it because his religion tells him to. therefore to him, he isnt completely responsible for their deaths
I agree, actually. But the point was that it's a different situation entirely from the phenomenon that the thread deals with. It talks about apathy toward problems in society because of beliefs, rather than this...which attempts to "solve" the problems but in very wrong ways.
It's the difference between a little kid not doing a puzzle when his mother tells him to, and another kid shooting his mom when she tells him to. Say what you will about the second kid, but he's not apathetic.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007lol at that analogy
I agree, actually. But the point was that it's a different situation entirely from the phenomenon that the thread deals with. It talks about apathy toward problems in society because of beliefs, rather than this...which attempts to "solve" the problems but in very wrong ways.It's the difference between a little kid not doing a puzzle when his mother tells him to, and another kid shooting his mom when she tells him to. Say what you will about the second kid, but he's not apathetic.
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