Demitri Maximoff vs. Morrigan Aensland

what someone or something wants, claims or otherwise does not mean they are true, many beings through ficiton claim themselves invincible...they get destroyed, many call themselves all powerful or omnipotent, they get defeated etc etc

In the human world we know that yes, but what makes you think he will take the whole human universe? we know theres more in the human universe so for all we know it would have taken him far longer, all we know of Makai is that its one landmass, thats also called makai so once again for all we know when he says makai, it doesnt mean dimension, its far beyond Jedahs potentials to suddenly eat a dimension, all we see is him taking all the souls and giving them to the Shintai, ive seen Jedahs ending where he first awakens the baby and ive seen many things he says and he is no way an obvious universe (in the words of human sized universe) buster/eater

Originally posted by Burning thought
what someone or something wants, claims or otherwise does not mean they are true, many beings through ficiton claim themselves invincible...they get destroyed, many call themselves all powerful or omnipotent, they get defeated etc etc

In the human world we know that yes, but what makes you think he will take the whole human universe? we know theres more in the human universe so for all we know it would have taken him far longer, all we know of Makai is that its one landmass, thats also called makai so once again for all we know when he says makai, it doesnt mean dimension, its far beyond Jedahs potentials to suddenly eat a dimension, all we see is him taking all the souls and giving them to the Shintai, ive seen Jedahs ending where he first awakens the baby and ive seen many things he says and he is no way an obvious universe (in the words of human sized universe) buster/eater

And yet, we've seen him create an entire dimension from nothing.

Saying that "Because we havn't seen it means it cannot be" is ludicrous to the extreme. it's like saying there is nothing beyond our own solar system besides stars because we havn't seen it. it gets debunked so fast even the Flash would get a headspin.

We KNOW there are planets beyond our system, we know there are far away galaxies in our universe, we know these things exist in Makai's universe otherwise they wouldn't have moons and stars in their sky.

Simplicity itself explains away your logic dude.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And space...

Can you actually quantify Makai's size relative to that of any other dimension?

Even the brightest scientific minds can't do that, because each universe is infinite in size.

2. Smaller than a solar system. Bigger than Earth.

3. Prove it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And yet, we've seen him create an entire dimension from nothing.

Saying that "Because we havn't seen it means it cannot be" is ludicrous to the extreme. it's like saying there is nothing beyond our own solar system besides stars because we havn't seen it. it gets debunked so fast even the Flash would get a headspin.

We KNOW there are planets beyond our system, we know there are far away galaxies in our universe, we know these things exist in Makai's universe otherwise they wouldn't have moons and stars in their sky.

Simplicity itself explains away your logic dude.

when? ive only heard him creating it from Ozmodu (spelling) soul

Exactley, Makais universe, and all Jedah takes is Makai, also we dont know that because as Dark Jaxx said below, our universe does not seem to have a dimensional wall, its likely this is all Makai consists of in the dimension, otherwise it would not likely be a wall there would there....when Belial sends Demitri and his castle through the dimensional wall, doesnt Demitri end up in the human world? Earth?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Nope, no space, all of Makai is surrounded by a dimensional wall, what is out there is unknown, if anything is at all.

What dimensional wall?

Are you reffering to the boundries that exist bitween dimensions?

If so, then it doesn't matter because all dimensions are separate. each dimension is it's own existance, but each existance is infinite in it's mass and volume, where it not so, then there would have to be an edge of the universe, and as far as any modern science dictates, there is no boundry of tangibility.

The only boundry that exists is different planes of existance (IE: different dimensions of reality)

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Smaller than a solar system. Bigger than Earth.

Proof of your estimation of Makai's true size please, your basing your entire argument on a few snapshots of ending we see in Darkstalkers games, yet we see no tangioble barrier besides interdimensional boundries, which can hold unlimited phiscal mass and volume.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. Prove it.

I just did 😉

Originally posted by Burning thought
when? ive only heard him creating it from Ozmodu (spelling) soul

Majigen... he created a separate, yet linked dimension to Makai in order to create an arena to harvest Makai's souls, not a bad plan considering the power levels he has to deal with (Pyron et all).

Originally posted by Burning thought
Exactley, Makais universe, and all Jedah takes is Makai, also we dont know that because as Dark Jaxx said below, our universe does not seem to have a dimensional wall, its likely this is all Makai consists of in the dimension, otherwise it would not likely be a wall there would there....when Belial sends Demitri and his castle through the dimensional wall, doesnt Demitri end up in the human world? Earth?

Read above... neither f you know the physics behind what a Universe actually is...

I can't beleive I have to explain what this actually is... 🙁

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Majigen... he created a separate, yet linked dimension to Makai in order to create an arena to harvest Makai's souls, not a bad plan considering the power levels he has to deal with (Pyron et all).

Read above... neither f you know the physics behind what a Universe actually is...

I can't beleive I have to explain what this actually is... 🙁

Thats what he used Ozmodu soul for....so not without resources, i.E, its not much of a feat in a way, also the dimension consists of

also rules in real life do not have to effect rules in a ficion, since Makai consists of one landmass, also called Makai, theres no way of knowing if it goes beyond, especially if its dimensional barrier is at the edges of this plane of land in which case, theres nothing beyond a dimensional barrier except more dimensions which are not Makai.

either way this is irrelevent, Jedah has only taken the souls of the landmass of Makai

now you have to explain what you meant by bringing him up eating a few billion souls and giving them to the Shintai because its irrelevent, Jedah is not a dimension destroyer and but a creator he is, of tiny little dimnesions consisting of what is it? just his castle..lmao....hes pathetic.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats what he used Ozmodu soul for....so not without resources, i.E, its not much of a feat in a way, also the dimension consists of

It's still his feat.

Originally posted by Burning thought
also rules in real life do not have to effect rules in a ficion, since Makai consists of one landmass, also called Makai, theres no way of knowing if it goes beyond, especially if its dimensional barrier is at the edges of this plane of land in which case, theres nothing beyond a dimensional barrier except more dimensions which are not Makai.

Nice strawman, and a copout, you cannot fight physics so you resort to using "Oh but videogame logic dictates this and this..." without any evidence at all...

Originally posted by Burning thought
either way this is irrelevent, Jedah has only taken the souls of the landmass of Makai

Thats not what the endings and stories say at all, thank you very much.

Originally posted by Burning thought
now you have to explain what you meant by bringing him up eating a few billion souls and giving them to the Shintai because its irrelevent, Jedah is not a dimension destroyer and but a creator he is, of tiny little dimnesions consisting of what is it? just his castle..lmao....hes pathetic.

When Jedah was done, win or lose, he destroys majigen, I'm sorry, but a dimension is a dimension plain and simple since NOBODY can prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's still his feat.

Nice strawman, and a copout, you cannot fight physics so you resort to using "Oh but videogame logic dictates this and this..." without any evidence at all...

Thats not what the endings and stories say at all, thank you very much.

When Jedah was done, win or lose, he destroys majigen, I'm sorry, but a dimension is a dimension plain and simple since NOBODY can prove otherwise.

You want evidence that videogame fictions can be diffrent to the real world?

Show me then, it says he takes the souls of Makai....

I thot you said he destroys Makai? not his Majigen and yes a dimnesion is a dimension, you just have to point out what it consists of thats all, Majigen Jedahs little castle, Makai is one plane etc etc

Originally posted by Burning thought
You want evidence that videogame fictions can be diffrent to the real world?

No... I want evidence that this insance is case in point of what you claim, since nowhere does it state that a dimension is smaller or larger than that of any other. This is indeed true for ANY fiction, nobody can quantify the size of a dimension, it IS impossible.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me then, it says he takes the souls of Makai....

Where did I dispute this? I said can you quantify Makai's size we have no way of knowing how many souls Makai holds,

Originally posted by Burning thought
I thot you said he destroys Makai? not his Majigen and yes a dimnesion is a dimension, you just have to point out what it consists of thats all, Majigen Jedahs little castle, Makai is one plane etc etc

If he succeeds, then the destruction of Majigen draws in all the souls of Makai at once. That was his plan.

Heh... You obviously have never played DS3 by any stretch of the imagination...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No... I want evidence that this insance is case in point of what you claim, since nowhere does it state that a dimension is smaller or larger than that of any other. This is indeed true for ANY fiction, nobody can quantify the size of a dimension, it IS impossible.

Where did I dispute this? I said can you quantify Makai's size we have no way of knowing how many souls Makai holds,

If he succeeds, then the destruction of Majigen draws in all the souls of Makai at once. That was his plan.

Heh... You obviously have never played DS3 by any stretch of the imagination...

Well because they say the dimensional barrier is around the world of Makai, which is several times the size of Earth

yes we can, its 14 billion or something if Jedah takes the animals souls as well

ive never played Darkstalkers no, that doesnt mean anyone loses teh debate, i dont think half the people in this forum have played LOK, DMC GOW yet they debate it, and their welcome to because in the end its you who has to provide the proof from DS to make your claim.

everything ive said is correct so far, Majigen holds only Jedahs caslte and maybe the Shintai?

I seem to know more on it than you do, since you dont know the size of Makai

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well because they say the dimensional barrier is around the world of Makai, which is several times the size of Earth

Who stated it? Where was it stated?

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes we can, its 14 billion or something if Jedah takes the animals souls as well

What? Where was THIS stated?

Originally posted by Burning thought
ive never played Darkstalkers no, that doesnt mean anyone loses teh debate, i dont think half the people in this forum have played LOK, DMC GOW yet they debate it, and their welcome to because in the end its you who has to provide the proof from DS to make your claim.

What do you mean byt that? I never made such a ridiculous claim as "Makai dimension is the size of a planet" or Majigen is just a castle". The one who must prove such claims are yourselves, your challenging a universal law my friend, I'm merely reinforcing it, not making a wild claim and using it to lower a feats impressiveness like you are.

Originally posted by Burning thought
everything ive said is correct so far, Majigen holds only Jedahs caslte and maybe the Shintai?

Lol, not to mention every fighting arena in DC3... Nice try though, where is your evidence?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I seem to know more on it than you do, since you dont know the size of Makai

It's never been confirmed or proven by anyone, you know more than me without having to play the games? thats arrogance at it's absolute finest BT. Don't insult me...

Dimensional Wall surrounding Makai? Last I checked, it was a Miasma, that's not a dimensional wall...

And another thing, were are people getting these size comparisons form? I haven't read anything saying that Makai was the size of a continent or the Majigen is just a castle.

For all we know Makai could be the size of Chicago or the universes, we just don't know.

maybe it is Miasma then, hmmm....well ime sure Makai has a dimensional wall as well somewhere.......otherwise it would be linked to other dimensions completly

Originally posted by Project Jedah
I could've sworn they said he was destroyed and his dimension disappeared.

Originally posted by Project Jedah
Why is that?

Also, Donovan, Anita, Huitzil and Pyron are not canonly in DS3. So none of those people could have killed him. It's Vampire SAVIOR not Hunter.

Plus she's the main character.

Originally posted by Project Jedah
So that's what those endings mean. I'm gonna go play the game again and check'em out.

And to be honest, I've gotten all this info, just by playing the games and reading the intros and intermissions, not just looking at the endings.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/567052/25007

The Birth of Makai.
It is written in the "Makai Souseiki/Genesis of Makai" that Makai is the
body of god itself. The "first lifeform" appeared through emptiness and it is
the one who created Makai. It is written that all creatures and lifeforms of
Makai are it's descendants.
It is also written that the reign of the nobles began 2,000,000 years ago.
The ancestor of the Aensland family, The demon king Zeruru Aensland, is
written to be the first emperor in these writings. All writings previous to
this have been lost and no spells exist to seek the truth. There is a very
high possibility that someone may have re-written history, but the truth is
hidden within darkness.

Makai
The main land within Makai is called "Matairiku/The demon land". The earth
is the color of blood, a never ending pitch black deep fault, forests move
with eerie movements, cave's that are filled with poisonous miasma, poisonous
marshes that would melt even the bones, and residents of darkness.
The area is several hundred times the area of all the continents of Earth.
Including the sea which surrounds the land, it is impossible to determine the
exact size of Makai. Not even the Emperor of Makai cannot know every corner of
Makai.

I dont know where you get your info from but this says Makai is the land mass, nothing about dimensions or universes.

Dude...that's the MAIN LAND which is Matairiku, not Makai as a whole.

My faqs come from the game its self, where it is called a DIMENSION, the Devil DIMENSION to be exact.

The endless sea and the darkness the land is in is Makai as well.

The main land within makai, yes, thats all the proof required to know thats the whole landmass, its not a dimension afterall, if it is, then a landmass is all that the dimesion is, so i was correct

Originally posted by Burning thought
The main land within makai, yes, thats all the proof required to know thats the whole landmass, its not a dimension afterall, if it is, then a landmass is all that the dimesion is, so i was correct

The endless sea and all things that lay behind the Miasma is Makai as well.

The space the land is floating in is The Devil Dimension. Not just the land its self.

That's like saying America is a Dimension because it has a Miasma around it that no one can penetrate. Making the rest of the universe unexplorable.

Your logic is flawed.

No, it says the Mainland of Makai, you dont say the Mainland of the unvierse is America do you? you dont say the mainland of the unvierse is the British isles, we dont say the mainland of the unvierse is Earth even......

Originally posted by Dictionary.com
Mainland:

n. The principal landmass of a continent

therefore Makai is a world or technically just a very large continenet, I.E this place its talking about is the continent of Makais mainland......ime 100% correct

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, it says the [b]Mainland of Makai, you dont say the Mainland of the unvierse is America do you? you dont say the mainland of the unvierse is the British isles, we dont say the mainland of the unvierse is Earth even......

[quote=Dictionary.com]Mainland:

n. The principal landmass of a continent

therefore Makai is a world or technically just a very large continenet, I.E this place its talking about is the continent of Makais mainland......ime 100% correct [/B][/QUOTE]

#1: How does that translate to "it's the mainland, therefore it's the only thing to exist in it's universe" Quite a remarkable leap of logic there Burning...

#2: %100 correct in assumption maybe, just because the Miasma prevents travel, does that man that it's a DIMENSIONAL boundry? of course it doesn't, the only barrioer that exists in that sense is the fact that it's a different plane of existance. just because the Miasma is there, does not mean that nothing exists within or beyond it, thats a wild and totally unfounded claim.