Demitri Maximoff vs. Morrigan Aensland

Originally posted by bloodlust247
i know this is old but reading through here i found a bunch of errors and decided to point them out..

1)Demitri and Morrigan are the 2 strongest Darkstalkers.. Demitri is the main protagonist

2)The is no official canon from Capcom for the end of Darkstalkers 3 meaning that Demitri was never defeated by Jedah in canon

3) Demitri is far more powerful than you guys are acting like.. it is stated that out of the 3 nobles Belial was far more powerful than either.. including Jedah.. yet Demitri after being defeated and resting 100 years considered himself strong enough to defeat Belial when he was only at 80% power and it is stated that he had grown stronger and gained new powers.. additionally he then went on to absorb Pyron and became even stronger on top of that

4)It is also stated that the blow Belial used to defeat Demitri and knock him out of Makai eventually left him weak and he never recovered while on the other hand Demitri recovered and grew even stronger then before

.. just some things i'd figure i'd point out.. alot of people think that Jedah beat Demitri because of an audio track but the audio had nothing to do with the actually canon of the Darkstalker's story.. so if you look at the power level it's easy to see that Demitri or Morrigan with Lilith could have easily defeated Jedah.. not to mention they are they main characters and that's usually how it goes.. sorry to hurt all you Jedah fan's feelings

2. Dur.

3. Demitri can consider himself to be able to do whatever he wants. Last time Demitri considered himself to be able to do something, what happened? Oh yeah. He got one shot and sent crashing into the human world. He absorbed a self-weakened mortal Pyron. I.e. not the full power one. He is clearly much stronger. In fact, it is speculated by some dickweed that Morrigan if her power was not split, would become a being equal to Pyron in purpose and power, a being to destroy and devour worlds.

4. Was not meant to kill Demitri, it was a warning shot, but it had the effect of literally warping a piece of himself out of existence, the wound could not heal.

5. Demitri and Morrigan's feats are so far below Jedah's I highly doubt that.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Don't forget about Jedah.

We kinda figured that out already in another thread.

O'course Demitri is powerful but there is no proof that he's stronger than Jedah.

Belial was weak cuz he tore a hole in'im self. He never meant to kill Demetri, he hit'im wit a "warnin shot".

We discovered it was the audio track long ago, if you wanna see I can show you. The prollem is Demetri lacks the showins to put'im on Jedah's lvl but I do think Morrigan and Demetri have the potential to be the strongest (mainly Morrigan) for the main reason that they are the main characters but that holds no weight 'round these parts. Here, you need proof.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Jedah is the strongest living Darkstalker.

2. Dur.

3. Demitri can consider himself to be able to do whatever he wants. Last time Demitri considered himself to be able to do something, what happened? Oh yeah. He got one shot and sent crashing into the human world. He absorbed a self-weakened mortal Pyron. I.e. not the full power one. He is clearly much stronger. In fact, it is speculated by some dickweed that Morrigan if her power was not split, would become a being equal to Pyron in purpose and power, a being to destroy and devour worlds.

4. Was not meant to kill Demitri, it was a warning shot, but it had the effect of literally warping a piece of himself out of existence, the wound could not heal.

5. Demitri and Morrigan's feats are so far below Jedah's I highly doubt that.

1 - your talking nonsense because it is never stated anywhere in canon that Jedah is the strongest.. as a matter of fact it is stated that Galnan was second to Belial and he never died.. so he's still living
2 - ok
3 - it isn't stated anywhere in canon that Belial defeated Demitri with one shot.. nor is it stated anywhere in canon that Pyron weakened himself.. just that he landed in the Atlantic ocean and waited to consume Earth until defeated by and consumed by Demitri.. and yes Morrigan may be stronger.. prolly the strongest when fully completed
4 - no canon states it was a warning shot
5 - Jedah was scared to face Belial because he wasn't strong enough.. but Demitri wasn't and it's stated that Morrigan was born with a higher level than Jedah ever had

Originally posted by bloodlust247
1 - ok
2 - there is no proof on Jedah's strength either.. but what has been told is that Belial was far stronger than Jedah.. Jedah had to use the powers from Ozomu to even create the Majiden and the god-fetus is actually the true power.. Jedah is just a puppet who was never strong enough to take over but is now playing the role.. hence why he is called the messiah.. meaning the harbinger.. not the actual power.. it's his trickery.. not his actual strength that he relies on.. he's trying to create something stronger.. that doesn't mean that he himself is stronger.. the rest is left to assumptions
3 - None of the comic books are official canon.. only the games and it isn't stated anywhere official that Belial hit him with a warning shot.. rather only that Demitri lost to Belial but it took it's toll on Belial-- here's an official quote.. "Even though no one doubted Belial's rule, the struggle for power within Makai had never ended.
When Belial had won victory over Demitri by ripping Demitri's castle and the gate into human world. But damaging space itself had also damaged Belial's body. His powers had slowly started to diminish."--taken from game canon
nowhere is anything about a 'warning shot' stated.. it's also stated that Demitri was still young and ambitious and was still learning more powers
4 - nothing holds weight.. that's exactly why i'm stated that you guys are overrating Jedah's power

2. Jedah had to use Ozomu cuz he was still weak from bein' vaped and the fact that he still EASILY defeated Ozomu while weak is a show of power. We know Jedah is a puppet, The Fetus of God is the real Jedah which is why when the baby talks they have it quoted as Jedah speakin'. Jedah can steal souls, BFR people, has absolute regeneration and is eternal. Demitri has none of this, thus he is weaker. Jedah is an S Class, Demetri is not.

3. Actually the abiliteis in the comics are canon, proven long ago. The faq guide says that it was a warnin' shot. Want me to show you? Your quote doesn't tell the whole story and it proves that Belail basically killed him self.

4. What I mean is that just cuz Morrigan is the main character and Demetri the rival doesn't mean that they are strongest. They prolly are cuz of this reason but there is no way to prove it.

Originally posted by bloodlust247
1 - your talking nonsense because it is never stated anywhere in canon that Jedah is the strongest.. as a matter of fact it is stated that Galnan was second to Belial and he never died.. so he's still living
2 - ok
3 - it isn't stated anywhere in canon that Belial defeated Demitri with one shot.. nor is it stated anywhere in canon that Pyron weakened himself.. just that he landed in the Atlantic ocean and waited to consume Earth until defeated by and consumed by Demitri.. and yes Morrigan may be stronger.. prolly the strongest when fully completed
4 - no canon states it was a warning shot
5 - Jedah was scared to face Belial because he wasn't strong enough.. but Demitri wasn't and it's stated that Morrigan was born with a higher level than Jedah ever had

3. Yes it is, and it was a warning shot. Once again canon guide. And from what I hear...Demitri was amped. 😐 Whoa. It was stated that Pyron took on a human form to "fight under Earth's rules". Morrigan is only stronger when complete. She is the strongest, an equal to Belial most likely, or, if that quote is of any value, a rival to Pyron.

4. Canon guide again.

5. Demitri wasn't scared and was then beaten in one shot. 😐 So because he is stupid, he is more powerful? 😬 And it was stated that Morrigan was born an S class, not neccessarily stronger than Jedah, and then her power was split in three, so what exactly were you trying to prove?

And it goes like this, of all the Makai-related beings, Demitri was strongest, then Morrigan second, and then Donavan, all are A class(Donavan prolly is anyway). But then Jedah was reborn, bumping everyone else down the list. Also, Donavan may have given into his full vampire self, and become more powerful than all of them, some believe it is him who killed Jedah.

I mean dude. Jedah was able to manipulate Demitri and the rest of the cast's souls like toys for God's sake. 😐

lol, there is no real point in us both of us doin' this, we're pretty much sayin' the same things

i know what guide Dark-Jaxx is using.. and it does state that it was a warning shot that Belial used.. but that same exact canon guide states alot more.. it seems that people like to pick and choose.. because while it says that it was a warning shot it also says that it was a low level version of his most powerful attack.. and it also states that Demitri became able to create his aura at 80% but it never states that he fought Pyron at 80% or that after consuming Pyron he only got back to 100%.. that guide in fact states that Demitri grew stronger than he had previously been and gained new abilities before facing Pyron and that after consuming Pyron he was confident that he grew strong enough to defeat Belial.. whether he was or not isn't the point.. my point is that there is no way to gauge exactly who is stronger than who because the powers are changing.. Morrigan can grow a lot stronger.. Demitri can grow stronger and so on.. but seeing as they are the two main characters and that Demitri is the one who defeated Pyron it would seem that Demitri plays a much larger and more powerful role than you guys are leading on.. saying Demitri would get destroyed by Jedah is like saying that Goku would get destroyed by Frieza because when he fought Vegeta he barely won.. the main character always finds a way to grow stronger and the fact alone that Demitri absorbed a dude who eats galaxies kinda shows that he has grown a lot stronger before facing Jedah and the previous S class and A class stuff shouldn't mean a damn thing.. that's like saying that since Goku's power level was less than Frieza at the time he fought Vegeta that he could never ever win against him.. i mean the canon is open right now because Capcom hasn't released anything official.. i just found it funny that everybody was down playing the main guy so much when he is the most likely to win based on his character status

...What the hell are you talking about?

Everything you stated I ALREADY KNOW.

And that in no way refuted or even really addressed what I said.

I never said Demitri was weaker when he fought Pyron...I already know he gained new powerful abilities and what-not by the time he fought Pyron.

And Demitri never fought Pyron at his strongest(who to my knowledge has never eaten a galaxy, where did you get this?), he fought a Pyron who changed his form to that of a lesser, mortal being to fight by Earth's rules. I can get the actual quote if you like.

And Demitri's soul was factually toyed with by Jedah, just like the rest of the cast.

Now, Demitri MIGHT HAVE killed Jedah, but I personally find it unlikely, because based on evidence he was stronger than Demitri.

I personally think that Donavan as Dee killed Jedah, who was then killed by Anita.

Although this is all speculation of course, until we get something official.

i got the info from the official canon guide.. same one that says Belial hit Demitri with a warning shot.. it's states that Pyron traveled solar systems consuming planets.. and nowhere at all does it state that Pyron lessened his powers to fight.. that's not in the official canon.. plus nowhere does it says that Jedah toyed with anyone's soul.. all it says is that Demitri and his castle were sucked into the Majigen and that he went off to fight Jedah.. and like i said.. nobody really knows what happened at the end of Vampire Savior.. but i doubt Donovan is the one who defeated Jedah since he was not even included in the original version of the game.. not to mention the game is called Vampire and Demitri is the only character who's race is officially slated as vampire

anyway i tried posting the link to the fact guide but it won't give me permission to post links yet.. so just google Darkstalkers official canon guide and it'll be right there

and also i wasn't just referring to you as far as the some of the information.. there where also a few other dudes who posted and someone said that Demitri only got back to 100% after defeating Pyron.. someone also said that Demitri only won because he could absorb energy.. but that's not true either because there are actually two canons for the Demitri/Pyron fight.. one overwrites the other i believe.. in the first one for the first game Demitri defeated Pyron but Pyron escaped before Demitri could finish him off.. then in the next version for the second game it's stated that Demitri defeated Pyron and consumed him

And Demitri never fought Pyron at his strongest(who to my knowledge has never eaten a galaxy, where did you get this?), he fought a Pyron who changed his form to that of a lesser, mortal being to fight by Earth's rules. I can get the actual quote if you like.

Can I get the quote saying Pyron waeakened himself?

...Why would you bump this thread for something you could have PMed me about?

But yeah, I'll get it in like a day.

Thanks.

And I don't kno wwhy I bumped this thread.