Demitri Maximoff vs. Morrigan Aensland

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

#1: How does that translate to "it's the mainland, therefore it's the only thing to exist in it's universe" Quite a remarkable leap of logic there Burning...

#2: %100 correct in assumption maybe, just because the Miasma prevents travel, does that man that it's a DIMENSIONAL boundry? of course it doesn't, the only barrioer that exists in that sense is the fact that it's a different plane of existance. just because the Miasma is there, does not mean that nothing exists within or beyond it, thats a wild and totally unfounded claim. [/B]

Because doesnt he say he is destroying Makai, he only knows of Makai, thats where he comes from in that dimension, the dimension does not say anything about further areas of excistence, ive not seen evidence of Jedah swallowing the whole universe, let alone any evidence that there is much of a unvierse in the dimension where Makai is.

Please show me where Jedah says he is destroying something so i can see exactley what he says.

Ive been under the impression it says he takes the souls of Makai? so therefore if its the souls of Makai, he is attacking the landmass that ime talking about.

If i am wrong and it says he destroys the entire dimension then assuming there is more than Makai is just as wild and unfounded, Makai was as the history states created by the body of a dead God, it doesnt mention anything about other realms, worlds or etc and Jedah only knows of Makai, ive not seen anywehre where it says he destroys more than just Makai and that would make more sense since Makai is one landmass, if it says Makai it doesnt mean the whole universe/dimension IF there is anything else out there.

The main land within Makai is called "Matairiku/The demon land". The earth
is the color of blood, a never ending pitch black deep fault, forests move
with eerie movements, cave's that are filled with poisonous miasma, poisonous
marshes that would melt even the bones, and residents of darkness.
The area is several hundred times the area of all the continents of Earth.
Including the sea which surrounds the land, it is impossible to determine the
exact size of Makai. Not even the Emperor of Makai cannot know every corner of
Makai.
And beyond the oceans that surround the land is a highly compressed
atmospheric wall making it impossible to set foot beyond the limits. According
to ancient writings, a crack in a dimension exists there which leads to
another world. But no one has been able to prove this. In the center of
Matairiku lies the Devil Mountains, which are 8,000km above the sea level. And
within these mountains lies a waterfall called "Heaven to Hell" which reaches
the depths of 3,000km. It would drag anyone who approaches it into it's depth
of darkness.
The sea which lies to the east of Matairiku is called, "Daimakai/Great Sea
of Evil". And the sea which lies to the west of Matairiku is called,
"Daimasou/Great Ocean of Evil". The Daimakai is filled with flames at a
temperature of 10,000 degrees Celsius. The Daimasou is filled with ice at
absolute zero. At the point where these sea meet lies a crack that is 200km
wide. It is filled with constant storms and lightning.
Several hundred trillion Makai creatures live in this world and each of
them build up their own society and territories. A human would not even last
a day in the harsh world of Makai.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/567052/25007

Proof of what Makai is.

A landmass and a sea, a huge landmass and a sea, surrounded by a wall.

That is it.

exactley

You are aware that both the landmass and the dimension are both called Makai?

And that there are worlds beyond that of Makai(the land) and the Miasma, many actually...

Rikuo's world, and the world of his wife, and another world with a similar species that were split apart and sent beyond the Miasma just by Jedah's presence. Heck, Jedah's Majigen nearly tore apart Makai(the dimension) and pulled things in. Prof that jedah can destroy universes. And the thing is it took no power for him to do it. He used someone else's soul, that make things worst.

Jedah just coming into existence put up dimensional barriers and increased the intensity of the Miasma around Makai(the land).

Game faqs only covers what the game doesn't. You cant just read the faqs and not play the game and think you can debate adequately about something you only know half of. That's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
therefore Makai is a world or technically just a very large continenet, I.E this place its talking about is the continent of Makais mainland......ime 100% correct

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero #1: How does that translate to "it's the mainland, therefore it's the only thing to exist in it's universe" Quite a remarkable leap of logic there Burning...

#2: %100 correct in assumption maybe, just because the Miasma prevents travel, does that man that it's a DIMENSIONAL boundry? of course it doesn't, the only barrioer that exists in that sense is the fact that it's a different plane of existance. just because the Miasma is there, does not mean that nothing exists within or beyond it, thats a wild and totally unfounded claim. [/B]

That's like people way back in the day saying that the world only consisted of western countries becuase they didn't know that places like America existed beyond the ocean.

And it's obvious Jedah knows that there is life beyond the Miasma, he sent entire worlds there.

If people just don't enough about the DS they should just stay out of the threads. That's like me debating against FF7 and I never played it, but I read about it on wiki and think that I know more than the guys who have been playing for years...kind of stupid, ya know?

Well until further evidence can be shown those who dont know will have to debate this way until you show us the proof because the burdon of proof is on you.

So heres some questions for DSZ and you Frisky Dingo.

1. If Makai is both the land and the dimnesion its in, can you prove that this is the case and that its not always talking about the land?

2. Can you prove that Jedah was using Majigen to tear apart the dimension and NOT just the land also called Makai?

Until you provide proof it is not us who is in fault, if the rule was that you have to have played a game to debate it then half the people on here would never debate because you cannot expect every person to have played the games.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. If Makai is both the land and the dimnesion its in, can you prove that this is the case and that its not always talking about the land?

Originally posted by Burning thought
2. Can you prove that Jedah was using Majigen to tear apart the dimension and NOT just the land also called Makai?

The Majigin put tore holes through out the dimension that sucked everything into the Majigen, including Rikuo, a playable character that lives beyond the Miasma, do you know who Rikuo is?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Until you provide proof it is not us who is in fault, if the rule was that you have to have played a game to debate it then half the people on here would never debate because you cannot expect every person to have played the games.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
This is true because as the faqs state it's a land but Makai is also stated as being the Devil Dimension in both the game and UDON comic. It's retarded to say that makai is only a land with Miasma around it when Rikuo's land exists beyond it.

Now this question only proves that you really don't know what you talking about.

The Majigin put tore holes through out the dimension that sucked everything into the Majigen, including Rikuo, a playable character that lives beyond the Miasma, do you know who Rikuo is?

But you should at least play the game so that you can know what your talking about so you don't seem like a stubborn idiot to the guys who actually know about the game series.

Nobody is saying its only a land if its stated officially somewhere but this has yet to be proven, nobody has shown proof of it being both, and if it is both, this does not answer my point, you have not proven if when it talks of Makai, it is simply not talking about the land all the time, also I would like to see the sources of information that say Makai IS the devil dimension, if it IS the devil dimension...then Makai IS the dimension, nothing outside the Miasma counts as the devil demension if by your words alone Makai is the devil dimension, perhaps your misreading things or misunderstanding your own information (perhaps even on purpous to hype up DS feats)

NO, and i should not have to know, if that FAQ is my proof, and by the understanding of that proof Makai is simply said to be a land, then its a land until someone can cough up evidence, regardless whether they have played the games or not to show that its a dimension also AND that Jedah is taking the dimnesion every time it says Makai. Either way this guy who is beyond the miasma, it does not neccerily mean Jedahs dimension has swallowed that guys world and more, where was this guy when he was taken? There is a lot of proof that needs to be shown.

As i said before, this is no rule and is wrong, you cant expect someone to just pick up the game just so they can debate in this forum, otherwise as i said before, hardly anyone would be debating in the forum at all, Ive lost count on the number of people who have debated agaist me in series like GOW, LOK and DMC who have not played any of the games or perhaps only one or two, but as long as i can provide my proof and they cannot refute it, then i can lead the debate and win it, you have to provide proof even to "stubborn idiots" unfortatley.

That Rikuo part is bullcrap, Rikuo lived in an undersea city on EARTH, that was destroyed when Pyron landed in the ocean.

oh Rikuo is the fish guy? ....

Yeah. The one Pyron nuked in the OVA.

so why can these guys be saying how hes some sort of other dimensional being whos not from Makai? sounds weird to me, and if Jedah sucked him up, its likely no matter where this guy is from, he was prob on Earth by this time since Jedah is apprently after Pyron?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
That Rikuo part is bullcrap, Rikuo lived in an undersea city on EARTH, that was destroyed when Pyron landed in the ocean.

And the fact that Jedah tore holes in both Makai and Earth at the same time does mean that the guy can wreck dimensions at an alarmin rate, yo.

Dudes a total beast, the guy was in a weakened state and made a dimension so powerful that it was in the process of endin God's Creation just by bein present.

But aint it kinda dumb to be talkin bout Jedah feats in the Morrigan VS Demetri thread.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo

And I’m almost positive that I know who and what that baby is…for sure.

Originally posted by Project Jedah
The sister race of Rikuo's peeps was sent to another dimension by Jedah tho, no joke.

And the fact that Jedah tore holes in both Makai and Earth at the same time does mean that the guy can wreck dimensions at an alarmin rate, yo.

Dudes a total beast, the guy was in a weakened state and made a dimension so powerful that it was in the process of endin God's Creation just by bein present.

But aint it kinda dumb to be talkin bout Jedah feats in the Morrigan VS Demetri thread.

2. Makai is alarmingly small for a dimension, and Earth is one planet in a universe, doesn't prove he can bust one.

3. Where does it say he was weakened?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
That Rikuo part is bullcrap, Rikuo lived in an undersea city on EARTH, that was destroyed when Pyron landed in the ocean.

THEN they settled to earth and reformed their Kingdom. NO DS originates from Earth, it only says Brazil because that is where they appeared when they entered through the the hole. It states Morrigan's place of origin is Scotland but we all know she's not Scottish.

Originally posted by Burning thought
so why can these guys be saying how hes some sort of other dimensional being whos not from Makai? sounds weird to me, and if Jedah sucked him up, its likely no matter where this guy is from, he was prob on Earth by this time since Jedah is apprently after Pyron?

FYI Jedah has been alive nearly 6000 years, Rikuo is no where near that age and Rikou's people have existed in Makai long before Rikuo even came into existence.

Originally posted by Project Jedah
Who is it, cuz I played Up and down and I’m curious to know just what info you found that gives away the identity of the baby and the fact that Jedah has no soul?

That baby can be all of these things or some...

1.He is either for sure the ruler of Makai before Belail or the TRUE ruler of Makai that legend speaks of. This is evident because the narrator calls him the former ruler of Makai ( they can not be talking about Belail because at that time Belial would have still been alive or JUST died). They also call him the master of "dark intent". And it says that when he and Pyron do battle that the TRUE ruler will be decided. Jedah also calls him self the REAL ruler of the world which leads to my next tid bit...

2.The Baby is a Dohma, which could lead to him being the REAL Jedah or at the least, some one related to him. Evidence of this could be found in the comics, when Belail refers to Maximov he all always speaks of Demetri or mentions his name but when he speaks of Dohma he simply says Dohma, as if he does not recognize Jedah as leader of the House. As if everyone in Dohma is dead.

Jedah having no soul is true. In his ending he fights himself and calls it a mistake made by the demon (in th intermission before the Final battle). It is also stated that he is nothing more than a soul container made to carry the souls of powerful foes to recreate life. Also all characters are mentioned to have souls except Jedah.

There is a lot more to all this but you would have to come see me at C's sit because I'm pretty much done wit this place, its still pretty much the same around here.

True ruler of Makai? Wouldn't that be God? Afterall, not only did God make it, but Makai itself is his body.

So Pyron is destined to do battle with the Baby at full power?

Huh?

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
That baby can be all of these things or some...

1.He is either for sure the ruler of Makai before Belail or the TRUE ruler of Makai that legend speaks of. This is evident because the narrator calls him the former ruler of Makai ( they can not be talking about Belail because at that time Belial would have still been alive or JUST died). They also call him the master of "dark intent". And it says that when he and Pyron do battle that the TRUE ruler will be decided. Jedah also calls him self the REAL ruler of the world which leads to my next tid bit...

This does leave the question, at full power (not held back by usin the rules of terrestrial combat), can Pyron rival the baby? If so then this means he actually could kill the Jedah, seein as how Jedah seems to be just a pawn in all this. They really need to make DS4 or at least continue the comic.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
2.The Baby is a Dohma, which could lead to him being the REAL Jedah or at the least, some one related to him. Evidence of this could be found in the comics, when Belail refers to Maximov he all always speaks of Demetri or mentions his name but when he speaks of Dohma he simply says Dohma, as if he does not recognize Jedah as leader of the House. As if everyone in Dohma is dead.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Jedah having no soul is true. In his ending he fights himself and calls it a mistake made by the demon (in th intermission before the Final battle). It is also stated that he is nothing more than a soul container made to carry the souls of powerful foes to recreate life. Also all characters are mentioned to have souls except Jedah.

Wow, lookin at it now, Jedah is just a subordinate, lol, it even says he is. All this hype over Jedah, and he's like some minion made from demon puddy. I'm disappointed, I thought he was the mastermind. Still there is room for error and plenty retcon. We will just have to wait and see is all this true or just in game mumbo jumbo.

Jedah's still my Ace tho.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
There is a lot more to all this but you would have to come see me at C's sit because I'm pretty much done wit this place, its still pretty much the same around here.

Damn, I need my own PC.

i know this is old but reading through here i found a bunch of errors and decided to point them out..

1)Demitri and Morrigan are the 2 strongest Darkstalkers.. Demitri is the main protagonist

2)The is no official canon from Capcom for the end of Darkstalkers 3 meaning that Demitri was never defeated by Jedah in canon

3) Demitri is far more powerful than you guys are acting like.. it is stated that out of the 3 nobles Belial was far more powerful than either.. including Jedah.. yet Demitri after being defeated and resting 100 years considered himself strong enough to defeat Belial when he was only at 80% power and it is stated that he had grown stronger and gained new powers.. additionally he then went on to absorb Pyron and became even stronger on top of that

4)It is also stated that the blow Belial used to defeat Demitri and knock him out of Makai eventually left him weak and he never recovered while on the other hand Demitri recovered and grew even stronger then before

.. just some things i'd figure i'd point out.. alot of people think that Jedah beat Demitri because of an audio track but the audio had nothing to do with the actually canon of the Darkstalker's story.. so if you look at the power level it's easy to see that Demitri or Morrigan with Lilith could have easily defeated Jedah.. not to mention they are they main characters and that's usually how it goes.. sorry to hurt all you Jedah fan's feelings

Originally posted by bloodlust247
1)Demitri and Morrigan are the 2 strongest Darkstalkers.. Demitri is the main protagonist

Originally posted by bloodlust247
2)The is no official canon from Capcom for the end of Darkstalkers 3 meaning that Demitri was never defeated by Jedah in canon

Originally posted by bloodlust247
3) Demitri is far more powerful than you guys are acting like.. it is stated that out of the 3 nobles Belial was far more powerful than either.. including Jedah.. yet Demitri after being defeated and resting 100 years considered himself strong enough to defeat Belial when he was only at 80% power and it is stated that he had grown stronger and gained new powers.. additionally he then went on to absorb Pyron and became even stronger on top of that

Originally posted by bloodlust247
4)It is also stated that the blow Belial used to defeat Demitri and knock him out of Makai eventually left him weak and he never recovered while on the other hand Demitri recovered and grew even stronger then before

Originally posted by bloodlust247
.. just some things i'd figure i'd point out.. alot of people think that Jedah beat Demitri because of an audio track but the audio had nothing to do with the actually canon of the Darkstalker's story.. so if you look at the power level it's easy to see that Demitri or Morrigan with Lilith could have easily defeated Jedah.. not to mention they are they main characters and that's usually how it goes.. sorry to hurt all you Jedah fan's feelings