Originally posted by fangirl101Ok,so takion had a good showing. Does that mean he is above everyone and that their performance was their best?
Takion>>>>>captain atom+Flash+KyleStayne=Takion
Flash and Kyle are top tiers.
Captain Atom is herald lvl.
Takion reversed the sources energy.
As if your opinion on New Gods matters. It doesn't.
Takion died.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeDs defeated Mordru by surprise in gds. That isnt canon to current Ds. Nice try though.
Now let's pick those pathetic arguments apart.- DS has defeated skyfather level characters like [b]Mordru and Highfather
, and the rest of the DCU pantheon is afraid of him.- Fighting several herald level characters is something Black Adam and Superman has done on several occasion, not to mention Doomsday.
- Almost killing SS in 2? Thor w/madness had him down 3 punches and Odin dropped him in a single one.
- It's possible to be upgraded as a high herald, and still not move out of the tier. Surfer did it recently. Debate using feats and not supposed upgrades.
- Blasting Galactus? I've addressed this so many times. GALACTUS IS BEYOND PHYSICAL HARM. It doesn't matter how much to chip off of his armour because he is unaffected by it. INVISIBLE WOMAN BLASTED A HOLY STRAIGHT THROUGH HIS CHEST, IS SHE A SKYFATHER?
- Nobody knows how it would've gone? Well here's a little hint for you. Thanos was struggling to stand up and hadn't laid a single scratch on Odin. The enchanters did more damage to Odin when they fought. Odin is not a "peak" skyfather, he is simply a skyfather. Surtur w/items is a peak skyfather.
- Tyrant has been her by characters below herald and Thanos was attacking Tyrant using part of Tyrant's technology. Not once did he use any part of his own powerset to injure Tyrant.
- When the Thanos (later retconned into a clone) used a plot device to incapacitate Odin, he acknowledges that Odin won the last time they fought. [/B]
Do you really consider high father a skyfather level being..if so why? Make an argument and dont just place him at skyfather level for no good reason.
Yes,that same Thor who beat on the surfer while amped with the power gem only caused Thanos' nose to bleed. Thanos took on a more powerful Thor than the one who crushed the surfer one on one and beat him. 😄
The Thanos blast is impressive no matter how you want to look at it. You can try to downplay it all you want but it still wont take away anything from it.
Thanos managed to stalemate Odin for an extended period of time while seth the death god was defeated soon as Odin's full powers returned.
The Thanos clone said that much but we saw the fight and we noticed that he didnt lose,but was losing.
Tyrant acknowledged that Thanos was more than these others were. 😉
I say again how could DP Tyrant be Trans when he was clearly more powerful then thanos who is trans. Thanos gave him a fight and proved his power but still. Tyrant beating all those heralds and getting the better of Thanos and Galactus should put him at the minimum skyfather if not higher imo. Why is he trans?
Originally posted by EnyalusThere is no way doomsday beats him physically.
I agree with this. I just don't think its going to be a stomp.
Originally posted by fangirl101When did Mordru get into an extended fight with Prime?
Mordru is skyfather lvl. He can't beat SBP. Guardians are Skyfather. They can't either.
Guardians arent skyfather level.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds defeated Mordru by surprise in gds. That isnt canon to current Ds. Nice try though.Do you really consider high father a skyfather level being..if so why? Make an argument and dont just place him at skyfather level for no good reason.
Yes,that same Thor who beat on the surfer while amped with the power gem only caused Thanos' nose to bleed. Thanos took on a more powerful Thor than the one who crushed the surfer one on one and beat him. 😄
The Thanos blast is impressive no matter how you want to look at it. You can try to downplay it all you want but it still wont take away anything from it.
Thanos managed to stalemate Odin for an extended period of time while seth the death god was defeated soon as Odin's full powers returned.
The Thanos clone said that much but we saw the fight and we noticed that he didnt lose,but was losing.
Tyrant acknowledged that Thanos was more than these others were. 😉
- Great darkness saga was an event where Darkseid had been de powered actually. So I don't see how a fully powered Darkseid would struggle to do something a weaker one would.
- He ruled the new gods, which speaks volumes. He's also responsible for killing the old leader of Apokolips. But I'm not going to get into a whole debate about the highfather's placement, so leave it.
- Thor knocked out Surfer much easier than Thanos did, that's the only comparison worth mentioning. Thanos has better durability than the Surfer, I never disputed this.
- I'm not downplaying it, I'm simply comparing it to the incident where Invisible Woman did more damage to Galactus, than Thanos did. I don't need to downplay it because it's already fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain that GALACTUS IS BEYOND PHYSICAL HARM.
- K, great. How much damage Odin does really depends on how hard he wants to win the fight though. In one of his earlier bouts against Surtur they fought for extended periods of time and Odin used Thor to wave down Surtur's strength. Later on Odin sacrificed his life and temporarily beat Surtur with a SINGLE ATTACK. The length of the battle has little meaning.
- Couldn't care less. It's obvious to everybody that Thanos is stronger than the heralds Tyrant fought.
- See you failed to address the point where the Thanos clone acknowledges Thanos' defeat.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeSo,you want to allow an alternate reality feat in the future where an obviously more powerful Darkseid based on his feats in the story compared to classic because of one statement. It doesnt count. Period.
- Great darkness saga was an event where Darkseid had been de powered actually. So I don't see how a fully powered Darkseid would struggle to do something a weaker one would.- He ruled the new gods, which speaks volumes. He's also responsible for killing the old leader of Apokolips. But I'm not going to get into a whole debate about the highfather's placement, so leave it.
- Thor knocked out Surfer much easier than Thanos did, that's the only comparison worth mentioning. Thanos has better durability than the Surfer, I never disputed this.
- I'm not downplaying it, I'm simply comparing it to the incident where Invisible Woman did more damage to Galactus, than Thanos did. I don't need to downplay it because it's already fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain that GALACTUS IS BEYOND PHYSICAL HARM.
- K, great. How much damage Odin does really depends on how hard he wants to win the fight though. In one of his earlier bouts against Surtur they fought for extended periods of time and Odin used Thor to wave down Surtur's strength. Later on Odin sacrificed his life and temporarily beat Surtur with a SINGLE ATTACK. The length of the battle has little meaning.
- Couldn't care less. It's obvious to everybody that Thanos is stronger than the heralds Tyrant fought.
- See you failed to address the point where the Thanos clone acknowledges Thanos' defeat.
Yes,he did rule the new gods on apokolips. He used desaad to poison his mother. Thats hardly something to brag about. New gods save fc because the writer is changing everything were basically superman level imo. Powerful yes,but nowhere near skyfather level.
Thor defeated the Surfer but not as quickly as Thanos did. Its cute how you dont want to talk about Thanos actually taking on this same Thor with the power gem. He was hanging with him just fine and he had a major amp. Thor didnt have this amp when he throttled the surfer the first and second time. Yet,even with the power gem he wasnt able to defeat Thanos. That is how powerful he is.
Galactus isnt beyond physical harm. Need I remind you of Tyrant slashing him. 😉
Just because Odin has caused more collateral damage that doesnt prove anything. Odin caused less collteral damage against the Celestials than say Seth,but would you honestly argue he exerted more effort against Seth? No,doesnt work that way. Odin wanted to kill Thanos. He didnt. Period.
The Thanos clone isnt Thanos. I saw the battle and Thanos didnt lose so how does it matter?