Originally posted by Bentley
The Cap's shield blocked a Chrona blast, and WW's bracelets were destroyed by a timetraveling plot device just like the shield. How are the bracelets stronger then? 😬
Were only giving canonical evidence. I don't think crossovers are canon.
However if both the bracelets and shield were destroyed by the same type of plot device then it is probably a tie for both. So we need another measuring stick. One where one has been damaged and the other hasn't. The shield was damaged by a skyfather while the bracelets withstood an entire pantheon. That is the tie breaker.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Classic juggernaut? iirc wolverines claws were unable to hurt him. I might be wrong, but I recall something like that.
Originally posted by Bentley
The Cap's shield blocked a Chrona blast, and WW's bracelets were destroyed by a timetraveling plot device just like the shield. How are the bracelets stronger then? 😬
WW braclets have never been destroyed. Any other instances are from non canon stories...
Theyre stronger becaue they have stood up to the same things and some worse things than the shield and never been broken.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It was King Thor. And it happened in the storyline called, 'The Reigning.' King Thor then went back in time and prevented himself from ever usurping power over the Earth. Thus the history of 'The Reigning' became an alternate universe/timeline. Only Thor remembered the events.Same thing happened in 'Absolute Power.' Superman and Batman, with Darkseid's assistance went back in time and prevented the renegade Legion members from ever changing history. Thus the history of 'Absolute Power' became an alternate universe/timeline. Only Superman, Batman and Darkseid remembered the events.
Same schtick and plot device. No double standard please, both are canon or both are non-canon. If canon, Cap's shield is most definitely over Wonder Woman's bracelets. If not canon, it's arguable either way which one is more durable. But since any logical person would agree that the Infinity Gauntlet and Classic Beyonder/Molecule Man's power is much greater then the entire pantheon of Skyfathers, I still think it's safe to assume Cap's shield > Wonder Woman's bracelets.
Check absolute power, is exactly the same case of the shield.
Originally posted by Bentley
Same with King Thor's showing on the shield.
Hm... true.
However, if these two points are moot, Wonder womans bracelets have still stood up to a group of skyfathers. While caps shield has not. Also, I love superman, but there is really NO way that he can crack Wonder womans bracelets... so the showing ap was PIS.
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't claim that Supes feat is anything else than weird-fanboyish-panel interpretation.Either way, the shield has been destroyed only by beings way bellow skyfather, and has good showings against others on that level. If we take the Chrona feat for example, the shield has a higher showing.
If you mean krona from the crossover, I agree. However, imo, one larger showing doesnt compare to a series of regularly high ones.
Yes, but we are talking about Wonder Woman who by function fights more powerful enemies in a regular basis than Captain America. I suppose that there are other good feats for the shield, but that would take some digging and I believe it would be hardly conclusive if I don't go the extra mile.
My point is mostly to say that there is not a definitive choice between the shield and the bracelets when it comes to resistance. Its a matter of personal choice but the shield is definitively competing with the bracelets and not several steps behind.
Originally posted by BentleyWhen has the shield been destroyed by beings way below skyfather? Am I reading this right?
I don't claim that Supes feat is anything else than weird-fanboyish-panel interpretation.Either way, the shield has been destroyed only by beings way bellow skyfather, and has good showings against others on that level. If we take the Chrona feat for example, the shield has a higher showing.
You discount both the King Thor storyline, 'The Reigning' and Superman busting the bracelets in two punches in 'Absolute Power,' then Cap's shield has only been destroyed by classic Beyonder's power, the Infinity Gauntlet and classic Molecule Man's power. Those three examples are WAY above skyfather and even skyfather pantheon level.
So then you have conjecture because there really is nothing directly comparable unless you delve into alternate timelines or crossovers (which everyone agrees Cap's shield wins out). But personally, I don't like alternate timelines or crossovers myself, so I admit that it's debateable either way. But I've never seen Captain America mention that his shield was on the verge of breaking... ever. Whereas here, Superman is once again possessed by rage, courtesy of Circe this time, and is beatin on Wonder Woman in a canon comic (#152?), notice the highlighted thought bubble, hmph:
I personally think that force fields at the highest degree settings in general are the main and highest level of durablity.. starting form mystical force field (eg cyttorak's juggernauts energy field, captian britain, wonderwoman's bracelet, shazam, uru.. etc), scientific , ( galactus force fields that can withstand intergalactic forces, queser, ion energy field of the green lantan ring, krang etc,), bioforce fields at highest degree setting (unus, superman, hyperion, gladiator, and low level energy field like diamond lil's etc ). so my overall list:
Mystical force fields ( depending on the sorce orginating the field )
cosmic forcefields ( galactus )
Scientific force fields ( max, max !!!, unus terren mist, )
cap's sheild
adamantium
bioforce field ( max level !!!!! )
vibranium
density control ( vision maximum density 90 tons!!! etc )
everything else lover can vary from diamond hard skin (daimond lil) , thing, luck cage unbreakable skin, hulks rubber hard skin, mr fantastic elasticity etc
well thats what i can see for now..