Most durable substance.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When has the shield been destroyed by beings way below skyfather? Am I reading this right?

You discount both the King Thor storyline, 'The Reigning' and Superman busting the bracelets in two punches in 'Absolute Power,' then Cap's shield has only been destroyed by classic Beyonder's power, the Infinity Gauntlet and classic Molecule Man's power. Those three examples are WAY above skyfather and even skyfather pantheon level.

So then you have conjecture because there really is nothing directly comparable unless you delve into alternate timelines or crossovers (which everyone agrees Cap's shield wins out). But personally, I don't like alternate timelines or crossovers myself, so I admit that it's debateable either way. But I've never seen Captain America mention that his shield was on the verge of breaking... ever. Whereas here, Superman is once again possessed by rage, courtesy of Circe this time, and is beatin on Wonder Woman in a canon comic (#152?), notice the highlighted thought bubble, hmph:

Absolute power was a divergent timeline that never really happened. And even if it did, it would be PIS if superman did break the bracelets.

And her bracelets never showed signs of breaking despite what she said. They never have. Her arms might have, but her bracelets seemed fine.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Absolute power was a divergent timeline that never really happened. And even if it did, it would be PIS if superman did break the bracelets.

And her bracelets never showed signs of breaking despite what she said. They never have. Her arms might have, but her bracelets seemed fine.

Yes. We have been through this before. The same thing happened in 'The Reigning.' The point I made was that were you to count timelines that never really happened, or crossovers, Cap's shield wins this contest, hands down.

Well, that's what you say, all I know is what Wonder Woman herself said, "Two more blows like that and he'll kill me. Even my bracelets can only withstand blows like that for so long." I can't really find any feasible way to twist those words into anything else then what they clearly are. Wonder Woman knows what she's talking about.

sorry about the spelling guys, just needed to send a reply as fast as i could lol. well the reason force fields are number one in my opinion is because of the concept of the amount of force and punishment they can take... all depends on how much power or the source of where the force that powers the force field originated from. If you look at characters with some sort of field or aura protection, they are always high, a 6 or 7 on the durability scale, anyway the reason metals like adamantium and caps shield lose to force fields is because at the end of the day they are simply metals or what most people call them " super-metals ", they will win if you are talking about hardness, but all metals have some sort of weakness, the weakness are alot more than force fields.. adamantium and cap shield can be destroyed.. when the force if greater than its atomic bonds. hence that's why magneto can manipulate adamantium, and it can be destroyed my nuclear weapons of well over 100 megatons of force, but force fields can withstand that if again the source powering the field is legit. So force fields are the most durable.. the only way to stop the fields are usually to disable the power source. As you can see, all materials can be destroyed, its just that before the highest level of force fields energy bonds are broken, hence, adamantium, vibanium and cap's shield would be long demolecularized..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes. We have been through this before. The same thing happened in 'The Reigning.' The point I made was that were you to count timelines that never really happened, or crossovers, Cap's shield wins this contest, hands down.

Which, we dont coun non canonical events...

If we did, Wonder womans bracelets would still win. The shield has one showing that is over Wonder womans bracelets that is not canon. And one showing does put something over a series of ridiculous showings.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, that's what you say, all I know is what Wonder Woman herself said, "Two more blows like that and he'll [b]kill me. Even my bracelets can only withstand blows like that for so long." I can't really find any feasible way to twist those words into anything else then what they clearly are. Wonder Woman knows what she's talking about. [/B]

He would have killed her. Her bracelets would have been fine. They only cover her arms. The rest of her body is exposed. It wouldnt make sense that a pantheon couldnt scratch them, but nineties Superman could? Thats why any showing where Superman breaks her bracelets is PIS.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, that's what you say, all I know is what Wonder Woman herself said, "Two more blows like that and he'll [b]kill me. Even my bracelets can only withstand blows like that for so long." I can't really find any feasible way to twist those words into anything else then what they clearly are. Wonder Woman knows what she's talking about. [/B]

Hmmm.....then I am going with Captain America's shield.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Which, we dont coun non canonical events...

If we did, Wonder womans bracelets would still win. The shield has one showing that is over Wonder womans bracelets that is not canon. And one showing does put something over a series of ridiculous showings.

Are you kidding me? If you count non-canonical events, then Cap's shield wins this contest by miles. Two Superman punches for goodness' sake!
Originally posted by Sirius77
He would have killed her. Her bracelets would have been fine. They only cover her arms. The rest of her body is exposed. It wouldnt make sense that a pantheon couldnt scratch them, but nineties Superman could? Thats why any showing where Superman breaks her bracelets is PIS.
What makes you say that the Olympian pantheon couldn't scratch the bracelets? They weren't even trying to kill her. They just needed her to deflect their power and angle it a little bit into a focal point. Bloodlusted, Circe-bewitched Superman raining blow after blow on the bracelets? Not quite the same context.

I think people are beginning to mischaracterize her feat as if every skyfather was attacking her and she defended herself against a focused attack. Here are the scans. What happens is that the Olympian pantheon (minus Ares, Zeus, Hades and Poseidon) focus their power and she deflects it towards Zeus's, Hades's, and Poseidon's weapons, whereupon it goes more ballistic and so forth:

1. http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection11xw.jpg
2. http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection25hf.jpg
3. http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg
4. http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

Besides, the original Aegis was destroyed twice before it was ever reforged into the bracelets. Personally, I am not very surprised that a bloodlusted Superman could shatter the bracelets eventually. And apparently, Wonder Woman admits that in a canon comic.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Are you kidding me? If you count non-canonical events, then Cap's shield wins this contest by miles. Two Superman punches for goodness' sake!
What makes you say that the Olympian pantheon couldn't scratch the bracelets? They weren't even trying to kill her. They just needed her to deflect their power and angle it a little bit into a focal point. Bloodlusted, Circe-bewitched Superman raining blow after blow on the bracelets? Not quite the same context.

What are these feats that makes the shield "win by miles"?

And two superman punches magically amped Superman punches? How about one thor punch?

And the olympian pantheon probably couldnt. Look at the kronos arc. And thats saying something.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think people are beginning to mischaracterize her feat as if every skyfather was attacking her and she defended herself against a focused attack. Here are the scans. What happens is that the Olympian pantheon (minus Ares, Zeus, Hades and Poseidon) focus their power and she deflects it towards Zeus's, Hades's, and Poseidon's weapons, whereupon it goes more ballistic and so forth:

1. http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection11xw.jpg
2. http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection25hf.jpg
3. http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg
4. http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

Besides, the original Aegis was destroyed twice before it was ever reforged into the bracelets. Personally, I am not very surprised that a bloodlusted Superman could shatter the bracelets eventually. And apparently, Wonder Woman admits that in a canon comic.

The bracelets took the power of half a pantheon and deflected it. That is not a small feat no matter how you spin it.

And if you are not surprised that a bloodlusted Superman can shatter them, then you need to re-read every Superman comic that you have. It was PIS.