The Incredible Hulk

Originally posted by Robtard
Then why in a "fictional sense" is it illogical that a radiated man can transform into a green monster?

Also, I'm fairly certain Batman has more than just those two attributes, he's also a uber-level scientist, engineer, strategist (there are more, I forget).

Not saying it isn't...It's one of Hulks capacities to transform himself into a green monster. So it's acceptable. He still within character. Now having Hulk capable of flying or turning invisible that would be seem as illogical. Since it's taking him out of character. Even if it's done to be entertaining there is something that says...okay, that's just getting overboard.

But it's also not within the realm of science, which you stated comic book movies have or at least should be. If anything, the radiation would have killed Banner or given him massive cancerous tumors in many years time.

Nor can he fly or turn invisible.

Not sure what he's going on about.

-AC

Originally posted by Robtard
But it's also not within the realm of science, which you stated comic book movies have or at least should be. If anything, the radiation would have killed Banner or given him massive cancerous tumors in many years time.

We still don't know the ending of Hulk's fate. We really don't know if Bruce Banner eventually dies of radiation after years of been expose. That's a story to be left for the comic books. You need the science in comics...that's true (at least that's my opinion) to explain certain things. Use fiction in areas that are unexplain yet could be accept it. Or plausible if you prefer.

If there was no science in comics...then characters like Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, Reed Richards...etc...couldn't possibly function. They're scientists.

So living so long after being exposed to a GAMMA BOMB and not dying straight away, is ok, so long as he dies decades after?

Those characters you mentioned are scientists within the REALMS of comic books. Science is a GUEST in that reality, not the be all and end all. Not a restriction.

-AC

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
We still don't know the ending of Hulk's fate. We really don't know if Bruce Banner eventually dies of radiation after years of explosion. That's a story to be left for the comic books. You need the science in comics...that's true (at least that's my opinion) to explain certain things. Use fiction where is more fictional yet could be accept it. Or plausible if you prefer.

If there was no science in comics...then characters like Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, Reed Richards...etc...couldn't possibly function. They're scientists.

Actually, there was a storyline where Hulk is the last remaining human on earth, because of nuclear war. In this future, Banner dies of old age (really old age) within the HUlk and Hulk continues. That's either here nor there, as turning into a monster isn't within the realm of science. AKA "sense of reality in it. Meaning some science has to be present."

Not sure where you're going with that, as I never implied anything of the sort.

Also, the only conclusion I can draw is that WD is arguing that it's ok for Iron Man et al because that's told as "science.".

Despite the fact that an Iron Man suit is as illogical as Hulk's powers.

-AC

Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, there was a storyline where Hulk is the last remaining human on earth, because of nuclear war. In this future, Banner dies of old age (really old age) within the HUlk and Hulk continues. That's either here nor there, as turning into a monster isn't within the realm of science. AKA "sense of reality in it. Meaning some science has to be present."

Not sure where you're going with that, as I never implied anything of the sort.

Well, there is also "suspense of disbelief" in the stories...so that for me it gets complicated and can't really go far with it.

I think, I know the story you're describing. Might have to dig it up.

Oh, before I forget. Let's say that Hulk develops some sort of super human intelligence in a movie. That would be acceptable since there was a story in the comics in which Doc Samson help Bruce gain control of the Hulk's body...or something like that....

That would be an acceptable feat for Hulk to use in the movies. I'm saying this because general movie goers have only been expose to the dumb smashing hulk.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So living so long after being exposed to a GAMMA BOMB and not dying straight away, is ok, so long as he dies decades after?

Those characters you mentioned are scientists within the REALMS of comic books. Science is a GUEST in that reality, not the be all and end all. Not a restriction.

-AC

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, there is also "suspense of disbelief" in the stories...so that for me it gets complicated and can't really go far with it.

I think, I know the story you're describing. Might have to dig it up.

Oh, before I forget. Let's say that Hulk develops some sort of super human intelligence in a movie. That would be acceptable since there was a story in the comics in which Doc Samson help Bruce gain control of the Hulk's body...or something like that....

That would be an acceptable feat for Hulk to use in the movies. I'm saying this because general movie goers have only been expose to the dumb smashing hulk.

Not sure what you're going on about now, as initially you said the "it's a comic book" excuse doesn't hold water, but now you're saying it's okay.

It's all coming to pieces, funny. Not as funny as this:

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That would be an acceptable feat for Hulk to use in the movies. I'm saying this because general movie goers have only been expose to the dumb smashing hulk.

Which is the side only you choose to depict whenever you describe Hulk, the character Hulk, or Hulk comics that I like, despite having read them for many years, and claiming to have done so yourself.

Funny the way people usually slip up.

-AC

man, I thought people in the comics forums hated Hulk, seems there's some dislike of the character here too. remarkable that Hulk sparks such bitterness.

the most famous comic character around has super breath, "x-ray vision", heat vision and flies without any rationale whatsoever (no rockets, no anti-gravity particles, no surfing on cosmic/magnetic forces ...). think that should end the nitpicking with respect to what Hulk should and should not be capable of (which of course is a highly comical complaint coming from a person with so little regard for or knowledge of the character).

I don't really like Hulk too much.

As it was suggested to me by someone via PM; it's simply because I like The Hulk, that's why a certain member here is so against him.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't really like Hulk too much.

yeah I dont either.Never could get into the comic or the cartoon shows of him.The ONLY Hulk version I have ever liked was the show with Bill Bixby.He really made you sympathise for Banner and care about him and what was going to happen to him.Bixby is my favorite actor ever so I really loved that show.thats why I was always against a Hulk movie being made since to me,Bixby is the one and only Doc Banner.There is no other.Same reason I did not want superman returns to be made either since its the same case there as well that Chris Reeve is the one and only superman,there is no other for me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure what you're going on about now, as initially you said the "it's a comic book" excuse doesn't hold water, but now you're saying it's okay.

As long as the character stays within it's reasonable limits it's okay. When a character is attributed feats that aren't originaly his/her then I say it's not okay. Well, at least for me it isn't...can't speak for you or other fans. That's my take...

But Superman flying was ok with you, yet I have been explicitly and abusively called a sheep and swallower for accepting the additions to Hulk, which, considering his power, isn't as outlandish as randomly making a man fly.

-AC

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah I dont either.Never could get into the comic or the cartoon shows of him.The ONLY Hulk version I have ever liked was the show with Bill Bixby.He really made you sympathise for Banner and care about him and what was going to happen to him.Bixby is my favorite actor ever so I really loved that show.thats why I was always against a Hulk movie being made since to me,Bixby is the one and only Doc Banner.There is no other.Same reason I did not want superman returns to be made either since its the same case there as well that Chris Reeve is the one and only superman,there is no other for me.

I like the Hulk Mr. Parker. Since I been a fan of Jack Kirby for 15 years I love how he wrote the character. Plus, I used to like the original cartoon theme song. Haven't seen it in ages.

Do you think there'd be outrage if in the next Batman, he has an MP-9 shouldered and 'kicks ass' that way?

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you think there'd be outrage if in the next Batman, he has an MP-9 shouldered and 'kicks ass' that way?

Outrage? nah...disagreement among fans and movie goers....very possible.