That's what I thought, you've never read the books and are relying on a handbook type entry. IIRC it's been stated multiple times that the reason he was frail was that he was a sickly kid due to environment and genetics.
However, even the entry your trying to use states that he made it through a "rigorous physical and combat training and selection process" before being selected, which goes against your claim that he had no will or determination.
Originally posted by Silent Master
That's what I thought, you've never read the books and are relying on a handbook type entry. IIRC it's been stated multiple times that the reason he was frail was that he was a sickly kid due to environment and genetics.However, even the entry your trying to use states that he made it through a "rigorous physical and combat training and selection process" before being selected, which goes against your claim that he had no will or determination.
No your wrong it's proves that he didn't need the SSS, why not keep training. I see the SSS as a short cut, and a big one at that. I don't read Caps books and I didn't use a handbook neither. I said Marvel.com. I do have the Marvel encyclopedia. And for the record, handbooks are canon.
Incorrect, he wasn't denied enlistment because he was out of shape but rather for medical reasons, all him making it through the training to be selected proves is that he doesn't lack either will or determination, something that you would know if you actually read Cap books.
Comics >>>> handbooks, BTW, most info from Marvel.com is from handbooks.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, he wasn't denied enlistment because he was out of shape but rather for medical reasons, all him making it through the training to be selected proves is that he doesn't lack either will or determination, something that you would know if you actually read Cap books.Comics >>>> handbooks, BTW, most info from Marvel.com is from handbooks.
You should read my post more closely.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
No your wrong it's proves that he didn't need the SSS, why not keep training. I see the SSS as a short cut, and a big one at that. I don't read Caps books and I didn't use a handbook neither. I said Marvel.com. I do have the Marvel encyclopedia. And for the record, handbooks are canon.
Originally posted by Caps Conscience
What does it matter if Cap took steroids to become a baddass. The fact of the matter is this. Cap is a better fighter than bat**** because he beats up people that bat**** loses to. Cap kicks more ass so he is better fighter regardless of the SSS. Get over it.
What the hell are you talking about. First off, crossovers are not canon and second, Cap is good because the SSS make him able to push himself to the limit. Batman pushes himself. SSS doesn't make him anymore of a better fighter than Batman. That's like saying he's as smart as Mr Fantastic, Dr Doom, or Lex Luthor, because the SSS pushes his intelligence to peak of what is humanly possible. No, that would be BS. Fighting skills, intelligence, and strategic thinking gos to Batman. Strength, stamina, and durability gos to Cap.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
What the hell are you talking about. First off, crossovers are not canon and second, Cap is good because the SSS make him able to push himself to the limit. Batman pushes himself. SSS doesn't make him anymore of a better fighter than Batman. That's like saying he's as smart as Mr Fantastic, Dr Doom, or Lex Luthor, because the SSS pushes his intelligence to peak of what is humanly possible. No, that would be BS. Fighting skills, intelligence, and strategic thinking gos to Batman. Strength, stamina, and durability gos to Cap.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
What the hell are you talking about. First off, crossovers are not canon and second, Cap is good because the SSS make him able to push himself to the limit. Batman pushes himself. SSS doesn't make him anymore of a better fighter than Batman. That like saying he's as smart as Mr Fantastic, Dr Doom, or Lex Luthor, because the SSS pushes his intelligence to peak of what is humanly possible. No, that would be BS. Fighting skills, intelligence, and strategic thinking gos to Batman. Strength, stamina, and durability gos to Cap.
It doesn't matter what is pushing him to the limit. What matters is the result and the result is that Cap Kicks more ass than Bats. Sorry to hurt your pride but you arguement is moronic to say the least. Fighting Skill goes to Cap and Cap has better tactical mind that Bats also. If you need some body to lead an army you would get Cap if you needed somebody to find the cure for AIDS you would get Bats. Get over it. Cap>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your life>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bats
Originally posted by Caps Conscience
It doesn't matter what is pushing him to the limit. What matters is the result and the result is that Cap Kicks more ass than Bats. Sorry to hurt your pride but you arguement is moronic to say the least. Fighting Skill goes to Cap and Cap has better tactical mind that Bats also. If you need some body to lead an army you would get Cap if you needed somebody to find the cure for AIDS you would get Bats. Get over it. Cap>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your life>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bats
Originally posted by darthgoober
The JLA/Avengers IS canon unless I'm mistaken. And if Bat's was a better strategist, then why would Supes say that Cap would be the best choice from both universes to coordinate the final battle at the end of the arc?
Your post would mean something if were canon. I have Info on these characters and that event is not mention in any of their histories. Batman is not a team leader but he knows how to get out of almost any situation. He is the second greatest escape artist in the world. Can Cap crate serums? No, Batman is well rounded. He studied criminology and chemistry. He can speak more than 6 different languages. And he built most of his equipment and modified them. He really doesn't need a team, as he mostly work alone. And he prefers it that way. Cap is a great team leader, but all around strategic thinking still gos to Batman. Just compare the bat-suit to Cap's. That alone shows you just how much more of a strategic thinker, that Batman is.
Originally posted by thadarknite84😂 What's really sad is how irrelevant your post was. This isn't about who got their physical talents in a more admirable way, if it was, I'd also say Bats. It''s about who's the better fighter. Cap is. Cap's a cut above Batman physically & he's at least just as good as or possibly better than Bats as a tactician. The argument you use is one often used by Batfanboys. Avoid it.
Batman is a better fighter, I've been through this before. There isn't nobody on this site that's going to tell me different. I'll put it like this. Batman is better all around. Your telling me that a grown man, who had the heart but didn't have the will or the determination to work hard and be the best. Is a better fighter than a 8 year old kid. who could have been playing with his toys or doing something else with all of that money. Who instead dedicated his entire life to be the best at everything. Is not a better fighter? Cap gets way too much credit. It's the SSS that makes him what he is. Batman didn't have to be Batman. How many rich kids lose their parents but they do nothing to help others or to better them selfs. A 8 year old boy had more determination and will than a grown man, how sad is that.