Originally posted by thadarknite84
No, I'm saying that the SSS is the only thing that puts him over Batman.
No it does not they would probably be equal. Did you see the scans where Batman was fighting Cap and it said it seemed like he had the slight edge?
Of course the SSS makes him superior compare Cap feats with Batman feats and they are vastly superior but even without the SSS Cap is still a master hell he humilited Thunderstrike and he was pissed off.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Comics >>>> handbooks, BTW, most info from Marvel.com is from handbooks.
I disagree. Comics lie and are inconsistent more than handbooks. But I will agree that sometimes Comics>>>>handbooks and sometimes handbooks>>>>comics.
A handbook is only wrong if the comics prove it to be.
And a comic is wrong if other comics prove it to be (not the handbook).
Note:
This doesn't mean that comics>handbooks in general.
It just means that if there is a contradiction somewhere then comics take precedent over handbooks. Otherwise, if there is no contradiction then handbooks are fair game. And if comics contradict comics (in stats) then an average should be taken. And if the handbook shows that average then it has precedent over any one comic.
Originally posted by Silent Master
primary sources always trump secondary.
False. Not if the primary source is inconsistent or false itself. Averages sometimes need to be taken and original writers need to be consulted.
This is to say that handbooks are not always solely based off comics (but sometimes based on the original writers opinions). Marvel says that handbook writers many times go to the original writers as a source.
And here's a kicker. Comics sometimes reference handbooks. Bet you didn't know that.
Handbooks are NEVER to be taken over on-panel.
Regarding Hush, Prometheus was apparently a placeholder character, since the person the writer wanted to use was under litigation or unavailable.
As for JLA/Avengers...............I don't care if it is canon. Any comic where Wondy loses to Storm, or Iron Man is able to hurt Superman on his own, is outright BS and deserves to be ignored. And yes, that includes the Superman vs. Thor fight, even if I think that could happen. vin
Prometheus's skill showings at his best should be able to take down Cap. And btw, vs. Taskmaster, Cap was losing until he pulled out an energy shield. Captain American even admitted he couldn't beat Tasky without the shield.
I'm not saying Cap can't win, just that by showings, Tasky almost beat him without the shield, and Prometheus is better than Tasky on occasion.
Wait..........the scenario indicates prep for Prom right? If so, he wins. For one thing, he's likely to have Cap's data.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Who decides when the primary source is wrong?
Who decides what's the case?
That's a good question.
Assuming comics are always the primary source (which they're not).
The thing we must ask is "how is the primary source wrong". If it is wrong by inconsistency then an average must be made. If the handbooks shows this average then it is decided by logic to be true. If it is wrong by putting false things then that source (comic feat) is invalid and another source is needed. A handbook can be that source if it doesn't contradict both the original writers opinions and the consistency of comics.
So to answer your question:
Depending on the situation, the handbook can decide, any person who shows proof can decide, the original writer can decide, and other comics can decide.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Handbooks are NEVER to be taken over on-panel.Regarding Hush, Prometheus was apparently a placeholder character, since the person the writer wanted to use was under litigation or unavailable.
As for JLA/Avengers...............I don't care if it is canon. Any comic where Wondy loses to Storm, or Iron Man is able to hurt Superman on his own, is outright BS and deserves to be ignored. And yes, that includes the Superman vs. Thor fight, even if I think that could happen. vin
Prometheus's skill showings at his best should be able to take down Cap. And btw, vs. Taskmaster, Cap was losing until he pulled out an energy shield. Captain American even admitted he couldn't beat Tasky without the shield.
I'm not saying Cap can't win, just that by showings, Tasky almost beat him without the shield, and Prometheus is better than Tasky on occasion.
Wait..........the scenario indicates prep for Prom right? If so, he wins. For one thing, he's likely to have Cap's data.
In regards to this scenario, Prometheus is on his way to get data on the Avengers, so I doubt he has Caps available. And since Cap knows Shield like the back of his hand and is the one confronting Prometheus after he breaks in he's going to have the home field advantage.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Handbooks are NEVER to be taken over on-panel.
A handbook is only wrong if the comics prove it to be.
And a comic is wrong if other comics prove it to be (not the handbook).
Note:
This doesn't mean that comics>handbooks in general.
It just means that if there is a contradiction somewhere then comics take precedent over handbooks. Otherwise, if there is no contradiction then handbooks are fair game. And if comics contradict comics (in stats) then an average should be taken. And if the handbook shows that average then it has precedent over any one comic.
The reason why I disagee is because of the word "NEVER".
Handbooks can be taken over on-panel in only the cases of the above.
Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Kill yourself.Comics are the primary source while handbooks are secondary sources and primary sources always trump secondary.
Who the hell do you think you're talking to. You wouldn't talk that nonsense in front of me and that's for dam sure. Number 1, your wrong and 2, you could join your friend, Cap. The Bat's still lives on. You better talk to me like you got some sense.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
Who the hell do you think you're talking to. You wouldn't talk that nonsense in front of me and that's for dam sure. Number 1, your wrong and 2, you could join your friend, Cap. The Bat's still lives on. You better talk to me like you got some sense.
Yes I would you little ****. Now shut the **** up and go play with your transformers or something.
Originally posted by Silent MasterSince the beginning. The original writers are the primary source. Thus the handbooks are the secondary source if the info is taken straight from the original writers. And if the comics take that info from the handbook to create itself then it is thirdary (I made this up) source.
Since when are the comics not always the primary source?
Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Yes I would you little ****. Now shut the **** up and go play with your transformers or something.
There isn't nothing little about me. and if you did, you'll get f***ed up quick. I don't have time for little f***ing kids. Getting mad over f***ing comic book characters. Shut the f*** up, and stop wasting my time. Your wrong, just get over it, you Captain America ass licking son of a B****. And get a life, these characters are not real.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
There isn't nothing little about me. and if you did, you'll get f***ed up quick. I don't have time for little f***ing kids. Getting mad over f***ing comic book characters. Shut the f*** up, and stop wasting my time. Your wrong, just get over it, you Captain America ass licking son of a B****. And get a life, these characters are not real.
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