If God is Omnipresent....

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Wait...if Hell is actually God's wrath manifest, then that would make total sense.

The only thing is, I don't think other Christians view Hell as God's wrath, but rather as our path away from God.

But if Hell is actually God's wrath, then it makes sense.

LOL, thanks for that insight. You're always a real treat.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Wait...if Hell is actually God's wrath manifest, then that would make total sense.

The only thing is, I don't think other Christians view Hell as God's wrath, but rather as our path away from God.

But if Hell is actually God's wrath, then it makes sense.

Luke 3:7 "Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

1Th 5:9 "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."

Psalms 139:8 "If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."

It's clear that God appoints some to wrath and some to salvation. It's also clear that God is present in hell as well as heaven. Jesus warns the wicked of wrath to come.

So I think it's pretty clear that hell is the wrath of God on the wicked. I couldn't find one verse saying that hell is the absence of God...

"no it doesnt, hell i sposed to be either the absence of god, or being tortured by the devil. hwever if its the former then i submit to the kmc religion forum that earth is hell and that we are already repenting for our sins and are garunteed our way into heaven."----chickenlover

God is all over the earth. We aren't automatically separated from him by being here.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
"no it doesnt, hell i sposed to be either the absence of god, or being tortured by the devil. hwever if its the former then i submit to the kmc religion forum that earth is hell and that we are already repenting for our sins and are garunteed our way into heaven."----chickenlover

God is all over the earth. We aren't automatically separated from him by being here.

This life is hell and heaven and 8 other worlds, all in one. That is what Nichiren Buddhism teaches.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This life is hell and heaven and 8 other worlds, all in one. That is what Nichiren Buddhism teaches.

I can agree with that.

Are you a Buddhist, shaky? Buddhists and Christians have very different ideas about the world and the purpose of it. It's my personal belief that this world is not hell. It's imperfect and sometimes sucks, but there is so much here for us to enjoy and God gives us so many resources here that it just can't be hell imo. Hell, in my definition, is eternal suffering and I'm not eternally suffering nor feel a separation from God here.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Are you a Buddhist, shaky? Buddhists and Christians have very different ideas about the world and the purpose of it. It's my personal belief that this world is not hell. It's imperfect and sometimes sucks, but there is so much here for us to enjoy and God gives us so many resources here that it just can't be hell imo. Hell, in my definition, is eternal suffering and I'm not eternally suffering nor feel a separation from God here.

Oh believe me, it can feel that way, and I do believe we can create our own private hell through our obsessions and bad decisions.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Oh believe me, it can feel that way, and I do believe we can create our own private hell through our obsessions and bad decisions.

Then you might be interested in the Ten Worlds. You can use the concept as a philosophy, and not as a religion. I will pm you a link, only if you are interested. 😄

* we can create our own private hell through our obsessions and bad decisions, true... but just a question, do we really have to be that pessimistic?

I don't find it that pessimistic a statement. It's just a possibility. The best way to avoid a personal hell is to learn from your past experiences and change your behavior. Our own thoughts and involvement can lead to great things, but as soon as something becomes an obsession, it's no longer a good thing for you.

I agree with the above three posts

I have mixed feelings on this tonic.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I have mixed feelings on this tonic.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I have a mixed gin tonic.

😆 That was golden!

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I don't find it that pessimistic a statement. It's just a possibility.

* it really is a possibility... but your mind is very clouded, dark and pessimistic, for you in a state to might even think creating your own private hell...

Originally posted by willofthewisp
The best way to avoid a personal hell is to learn from your past experiences and change your behavior. Our own thoughts and involvement can lead to great things, but as soon as something becomes an obsession, it's no longer a good thing for you.

* agreed... and i might add: learn to see opportunity in every calamity... not the other way around...

Psalm 139, 1 Ki 8 and Jer 23 all confirm that the Bible says that God is omnipresent. The Bible also makes a distinction between creaton and the Creator. This is a paradox! How can God be everywhere, and yet there exist a place where He is absent? God must be simultaneously both absent and present. How can this be? There must exist multiple dimensions/worlds that overlap each other. I can think of 4 such worlds spoken of in scripture: the infinite, where God is fully revealed, heaven, where God is more fully revealed than here on earth, earth, the primary place of our current experience, and hell, the place where the revelation of God is more hidden than on earth. So, although it may seem that God is not there, He is, but His presence is hidden. This concept of God hiding and revealing His presence is shown in the creation story, where we read that God is there (in 1 Jn we read that God is light), and yet the darkness is mentioned before the light. King Solomon in 1 Ki 8 & 2 Ch 6 explains that God covers Himself with darkness. Water seperates land, yet can be traveled through by boat. The "deep" (subteranean water in Hebrew) and the "waters" spoken of in the creation story represent a portal (Jesus) that exists between the worlds. It is interesting to note that "Moses" means "drawn out" (remember how Pharoahs daughter drew Moses out of the water), and that God, through Moses, seperated the waters of the Red Sea. There is a lot to this. God has shown me this. If you can shed any more light on this matter, please post. I'm trying to get a better understanding on the nature of our existence within reality. Thanks!

Originally posted by havedominion
Psalm 139, 1 Ki 8 and Jer 23 all confirm that the Bible says that God is omnipresent. The Bible also makes a distinction between creaton and the Creator. This is a paradox! How can God be everywhere, and yet there exist a place where He is absent? God must be simultaneously both absent and present. How can this be? There must exist multiple dimensions/worlds that overlap each other. I can think of 4 such worlds spoken of in scripture: the infinite, where God is fully revealed, heaven, where God is more fully revealed than here on earth, earth, the primary place of our current experience, and hell, the place where the revelation of God is more hidden than on earth. So, although it may seem that God is not there, He is, but His presence is hidden. This concept of God hiding and revealing His presence is shown in the creation story, where we read that God is there (in 1 Jn we read that God is light), and yet the darkness is mentioned before the light. King Solomon in 1 Ki 8 & 2 Ch 6 explains that God covers Himself with darkness. Water seperates land, yet can be traveled through by boat. The "deep" (subteranean water in Hebrew) and the "waters" spoken of in the creation story represent a portal (Jesus) that exists between the worlds. It is interesting to note that "Moses" means "drawn out" (remember how Pharoahs daughter drew Moses out of the water), and that God, through Moses, seperated the waters of the Red Sea. There is a lot to this. God has shown me this. If you can shed any more light on this matter, please post. I'm trying to get a better understanding on the nature of our existence within reality. Thanks!

What do you mean by "multiplicity of existence"?