Captain Marvel vs Silver Surfer

Started by The Great Galen9 pages

He did get oneshotted by Odin, and he lost badly agaisnt mephisto and was having problems agaisnt thor in 2 different occasions. I don't think its out of line to say magic infused strikes from someone on CM would certainly rock him.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
He did get oneshotted by Odin, and he lost badly agaisnt mephisto and was having problems agaisnt thor in 2 different occasions. I don't think its out of line to say magic infused strikes from someone on CM would certainly rock him.
Odin is a combination of Cosmic Power and Magic, but to incredible degrees, oh, and he's way more powerful than Surfer.

The only bad loss I can think of against Mephisto is when Meph decided that he only holds back to keep souls intact, and later had the best showing he's ever had; against Galactus.

In the first occasion he easily hammered Thor to the ground, and after he let up his attacks (and let Thor regain composure), he decided that Thor was stronger than him...
And the second time was in a story where Thor was more powerful than Warlock/Surfer combined. Was more powerful than Maxam/Drax with the PG combined (he actually smashed the gem out of Drax), and the Infinity Watch/etc. Surfer actually didn't do too bad against him if you factor in his other showings.

Originally posted by Mindset
He is as resistant to magic as anything else, the why you describe it is he has a weakness to it.

So he wasn't stabbed by a magical knife?

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Odin is a combination of Cosmic Power and Magic, but to incredible degrees, oh, and he's way more powerful than Surfer.

The only bad loss I can think of against Mephisto is when Meph decided that he only holds back to keep souls intact, and later had the best showing he's ever had; against Galactus.

In the first occasion he easily hammered Thor to the ground, and after he let up his attacks (and let Thor regain composure), he decided that Thor was stronger than him...
And the second time was in a story where Thor was more powerful than Warlock/Surfer combined. Was more powerful than Maxam/Drax with the PG combined (he actually smashed the gem out of Drax), and the Infinity Watch/etc. Surfer actually didn't do too bad against him if you factor in his other showings.

SS still doesn't "resist"magic as much as he does other forms of attacks, not saying he is incredibly weak to magic but it is something he has problems wit.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS still doesn't "resist"magic as much as he does other forms of attacks, not saying he is incredibly weak to magic but it is something he has problems wit.
Few examples of this?

Originally posted by Avlon
So he wasn't stabbed by a magical knife?
Both incidents had logical explanation. Which one are you referring to?

Originally posted by Avlon
So he wasn't stabbed by a magical knife?
And that had more to do with the power of the knife or the fact that it was magical?

Originally posted by Mindset
And that had more to do with the power of the knife or the fact that it was magical?

It just shows he doesn't have crazy resistance because it was a magical knife. I would say he has magical resistance, but not to the point that he can't get hurt. He can!!! And CM has crazy magic, he is Shazam 😄

Originally posted by xJLxKing
It just shows he doesn't have crazy resistance because it was a magical knife. I would say he has magical resistance, but not to the point that he can't get hurt. He can!!! And CM has crazy magic, he is Shazam 😄

Is the knife you're referring to the one that was wielded by Dr. Strange's villain Nightmare? You are aware that Nightmare's arguably skyfather level inside his own dimension(where the encounter took place) and that Surfer was completely healed a minute or two later right...

Also keep in mind that it wasn't just a "magical dagger", it was a magical dagger that was also infused with some of Surfer's own Cosmic energy. It was the combination of Sorcery and Cosmic Energy that allowed the dagger to bypass Surfer's invulnerability.

ROFL at the nonsensical examples being used to prove SS has a weakness o magic. Being one shotted by Odin? Do these people even know who Odin is? Odin could one shot Dr strange himself. I guess he must be weak to magic also. Also the nightmare incidentis way off as well. It was in Nightmares dimension, and even Dr strange cant compare to nightmare there.

Obviously a highly powerful magical being will be able to put down SS in the same way that a highly powerful non magical being would be able to. It is due to there overall power level in general and not the nature of it.

And you know that Marvel is SHAZAM now, right? As shown in the first post. He'd crush Surfer.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
ROFL at the nonsensical examples being used to prove SS has a weakness o magic. Being one shotted by Odin? Do these people even know who Odin is? Odin could one shot Dr strange himself. I guess he must be weak to magic also. Also the nightmare incidentis way off as well. It was in Nightmares dimension, and even Dr strange cant compare to nightmare there.

Obviously a highly powerful magical being will be able to put down SS in the same way that a highly powerful non magical being would be able to. It is due to there overall power level in general and not the nature of it.


People only said that he isn't immune. Shazam magic's is around Odin's, correct? So why can't CM magic not affect him.

Originally posted by cloud102
And you know that Marvel is SHAZAM now, right? As shown in the first post. He'd crush Surfer.

With what feats?

Having the will to hold up the world. Just not by pure strength. Trials of SHAZAM. Also he was battling a hord of enemies like Sorrow, 7 enemies of man, etc... because they were trying to take over the Rock Of Eternity. Yeah, Surfer aint winning against SHAZAM.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
People only said that he isn't immune. Shazam magic's is around Odin's, correct? So why can't CM magic not affect him.

I dont think anyone is arguing that SS can beat Shazam. I assume most are referring to classic CM. Hence all the comparisons to superman and such.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I dont think anyone is arguing that SS can beat Shazam. I assume most are referring to classic CM. Hence all the comparisons to superman and such.

But the Cap Marvel in the picture is SHAZAM Marvel.

Originally posted by cloud102
But the Cap Marvel in the picture is SHAZAM Marvel.

Yes and nobody has claimed that SS beats SHAZAM marvel. All the discussion up to this point has been in regards to Classic Marvel

Is this current Surfer?

Oh so it's current CM, well then yeah he takes 10/10