Originally posted by lawest9
I didn't say he knocked him out, he did put him on his backside, point is he was knocked down by someone who is supposed to be so far below his level in strenght, go back and read the original issue and not some rectonn.
Huh? What r u even talking about? spideman recton? 😕
Anyway as i said, Spidy didnt have even the slightest effect on SS who was holding back immensley anyways and didnt even want to use his power cosmic at all. At a point in the fight SS even stopped concentrating on spidy even turning his back on him. Considering SS weight, spidy knocking him down is possible, especially when he is heavily handicapping himself. SS was obviously unhurt though ( the main concern) and ended the fight on a whim.
Somebody is gonna have to tell me what this "current" cm can do. I mean if all he has besides physical attacks is magic lightning and lightning punches, i can't see him winning the majority. Let's assume that he does manage to win a fight, after that the Surfer can see what he's capable of and would do anything it takes not to be beaten the same way. The Surfer is WAY more versatile than cm and has so many other attacks and ways to combat him. I mean really, just look at his bio to see what all he's capable of.
Originally posted by jrodslamReally? Lightning more powerful than cosmic energy or anything that the Surfer chose to use on cm? I mean, if that's how you feel.
Honestly, i dont even see how Surfer beats regular Marvel. Yea, Surfer is gonna blast and blast, but i dont think it would cause Marvel much damage. I do think that if Cap is able to control and hurl lighting. it would be much more damaging to surfer than vise versa.
Originally posted by Leobama
Really? Lightning more powerful than cosmic energy or anything that the Surfer chose to use on cm? I mean, if that's how you feel.
It wouldnt be just regular lightning. Also, i believe Cap to be just slightly more durable than Supes and we all know how durable Supes is. I think hed do better against a Surfer blast than Surfer would against one of his lightning bolts. Imo.
Originally posted by ultimatethorI didn't say spidey really hurt him he just put him on his backside, thanks for acknowledging that much and the fight ended when SS turned to a child trying to ride on his surf board and he had to use his power to steady the boards balance.
Huh? What r u even talking about? spideman recton? 😕Anyway as i said, Spidy didnt have even the slightest effect on SS who was holding back immensley anyways and didnt even want to use his power cosmic at all. At a point in the fight SS even stopped concentrating on spidy even turning his back on him. Considering SS weight, spidy knocking him down is possible, especially when he is heavily handicapping himself. SS was obviously unhurt though ( the main concern) and ended the fight on a whim.
Originally posted by jrodslamIagree, and remember in a JLA issue CM'S magical invulnerbility allowed him to survive being turned inside out by a weapon of massive power greater than the surfers.
Honestly, i dont even see how Surfer beats regular Marvel. Yea, Surfer is gonna blast and blast, but i dont think it would cause Marvel much damage. I do think that if Cap is able to control and hurl lighting. it would be much more damaging to surfer than vise versa.
Originally posted by UKR
Surfer turns CM into dog food without breaking a sweat. Honestly, CM's the only character I can think of who's even more boring than Superman.
Surfer cannot transmute Cap, who has magickal durabililty from Zeus.
Cap can beat the shit out of Surfer the same way Thor always does.
Originally posted by jrodslam
It wouldnt be just regular lightning. Also, i believe Cap to be just slightly more durable than Supes and we all know how durable Supes is. I think hed do better against a Surfer blast than Surfer would against one of his lightning bolts. Imo.
He shrugs off/withstood this elder demon gods mystical attack...
Again withstood mystical attack from Mephisto himself...
Its goin to take more than mystical lightning bolt to take Surfer out, im not too sure that Capt. has got what it takes...
There's been a few whos gone mano to mano against Supes even bloodied him out a bit but thats not necessarily make them his equal..
Feat wise Supes >>>>> a big margin in strength and durability than Capt...
Originally posted by lawest9
Iagree, and remember in a JLA issue CM'S magical invulnerbility allowed him to survive being turned inside out by a weapon of massive power greater than the surfers.
Anyhow Surfer ftw via massive energy discharge/Bfr...
I agree with Ambient. I know you guys think that the "magical lightning" thing would be a difference, but I just don't see it. Personally. Based on powersets between the two characters, i've gotta say that the Surfer wins the majority. I've tried to be in the middle, but the "magical lightning" thing just doesn't seem like enough imo.
Regarding Hulks smashing of Surfer during Planet Hulk, it's true what Goober said about Surfer being cut off from the Power Cosmic. That he was also more weakened than Hulk was from recently arriving on the planet. He was beating Hulk and the rest of the Warbound....and what I don't believe anyone has said, is that after he's done beating the hell out of them and has his obedience-disk broken, he stops fighting. That's how Hulk manages to smash him into the ground/take him out of the fight. Because he wasn't fighting back. He took the first punch from Hulk (the one that broke the disk) pretty well.
I think CM is about as strong as Wonder Woman. What makes him look equal to Supes in that area, or close to it, is that his powers are magical. He's also slower than Supes.
So, I'd give SS the edge in durability, speed, strength, and power output (blowing up planets with ease and creating black holes).
It was impressive that Billy was able to survive against a hostless Spectre for as long as he did. IMO, Superman couldn't have done that. I think this'll be a fairly drawn out fight, but that Surfer should win 7-8/10.
I'm not sure about strength or speed (IMO he'd be on par with Supe CM or BA) but he definitely has a BIG advantage in terms of durability. SS is as close as it gets to indestructible (compared to other non-cosmic beings anyway)
So, I'd give SS the edge in durability, speed, strength, and power output (blowing up planets with ease and creating black holes).
Originally posted by Leobama
Fellas, If cm is capable of all this magic lightning as stuff where was it those times that he faced superman? Not saying that you're wrong. And if his powers are magic based hows does he not whoop superman everytime?
Surfer isnt going to be put down by a few magical lightning bolts anyways.
Originally posted by LeobamaBecause Supes isn't as weak to magic as people like to think he is.
Fellas, If cm is capable of all this magic lightning and stuff where was it those times that he faced superman? Not saying that you're wrong. And if his powers are magic based hows does he not whoop superman everytime?
