Originally posted by Magee
Why are people so defensive about it. If some one wants to beleive it was a miracle or the work of God then let them, what harm does it cause you? A lot of people need faith it's sad to see people try and take that away.
debunking claimed proof of a miracle is not being defensive. not sure how you came to that conclusion
Originally posted by Magee
Why are people so defensive about it. If some one wants to beleive it was a miracle or the work of God then let them, what harm does it cause you? A lot of people need faith it's sad to see people try and take that away.
I'm not defensive. Rather, I'm offensive toward those who skew facts to fit their personal ideologies. A LOT of people are gullible and/or uninformed and fall for pseudo-science, paranormal quackery, and easy religious answers to rational scientific phenomenon (or in the case of the paranormal hoo-doo, science has nothing to do with it). Nothing is gained by believing a lie. And my loyalty is to being as truthful as possible given the evidence available to us and rational logic.
But thanks for the advice. I'll work on being more overt with my opinions from now on, because if I'm coming across as defensive, clearly I'm not extending myself far enough.
As it concerns this topic, there's loads of studies to show how out-of-body experiences, near death experiences, and misdiagnoses have rational (and testable) explanations. Religion has nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by Magee
Why are people so defensive about it. If some one wants to beleive it was a miracle or the work of God then let them, what harm does it cause you? A lot of people need faith it's sad to see people try and take that away.
I agree with you, and if this thread had taken that tone, the outcome would have been quite different, at least from me. However, this "I find it interesting, when in the regular news there are so many occurrences that point straight to God... that people can continue to turn a blind eye and call it "coincidence, phenomena, etc.." when even the best professionals in the field can't explain it" made all the difference.
Do you see what I mean?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because the parents were insane people who didnt seek medical help. their prayers went unanswered, and I have no excuse for that, but whether you believe in God or not, when your child is extremely ill, you should always seek medical help.
But I have read the start of this thread correctly, there is no need to see a doctor. God can do anything. So, the fact that you would go to a doctor, would that be a sign of lack of faith?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because Jesus doesnt make them jump out the window. Jesus CAN, however, intervene when someone is ACCIDENTALLY injured and save them.This is what I dont get about atheists, or others who dont believe in God. They think just because God doesnt hold their hand throughout everything they do that there is no god, and they blame god when bad things happen.
Let me simplify for you. Person A and person B both accidentally fall out of a 20 story window.
Person A) happens to survive; it someone equates to Jesus personally saving them with his love.
Person B) happens to die... Jesus who?
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonOK, now you are splitting hairs. Sure, God can do anything, that doesnt mean he WILL do anything.
But I have read the start of this thread correctly, there is no need to see a doctor. God can do anything. So, the fact that you would go to a doctor, would that be a sign of lack of faith?
The parents refusing medical help and relying on their faith means they want God to do everything. God is NOT gonna do everything for us.
Originally posted by Rogue JediEven though he could? Easily? What a dick.
OK, now you are splitting hairs. Sure, God can do anything, that doesnt mean he WILL do anything.The parents refusing medical help and relying on their faith means they want God to do everything. God is NOT gonna do everything for us.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is what I dont get about atheists, or others who dont believe in God. They think just because God doesnt hold their hand throughout everything they do that there is no god, and they blame god when bad things happen.
That's...probably the worst rationalization of atheist logic I've ever seen. Also, if they "blame god" for something, they aren't actually atheist, because that would have to include a belief in Him. It doesn't even make sense.
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And who exactly are "others who don't believe in god" but aren't atheists? Does that subset of people exist? I mean, aside from labeling themselves differently (non-theist, non-religious, free thinker, humanitarian, etc.)....it's still the same belief (or non-belief).
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, now you are splitting hairs. Sure, God can do anything, that doesnt mean he WILL do anything.The parents refusing medical help and relying on their faith means they want God to do everything. God is NOT gonna do everything for us.
But god did everything for this guy. Was this guy of more value to god then that little girl?
Originally posted by DigiMark007Hey, I am only going with what I have been told by some of the atheists I have spoken to. Some of them actually do blame God when something goes wrong, or, more likely, says some shit like "Where was God when this happened" just to get their point across. Its not my fault the ones I have spoken to are idiots.
That's...probably the worst rationalization of atheist logic I've ever seen. Also, if they "blame god" for something, they aren't actually atheist, because that would have to include a belief in Him. It doesn't even make sense.😕
And who exactly are "others who don't believe in god" but aren't atheists? Does that subset of people exist? I mean, aside from labeling themselves differently (non-theist, non-religious, free thinker, humanitarian, etc.)....it's still the same belief (or non-belief).
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A PET scan was done, but if you don't set up the machine correctly, or read the results incorrectly, you will get the wrong answer.
I would need more evidence and info on the technician before I claimed misreading or machine error.
There are many theoretical reasons why a PET scan may not have shown anything, or even why the brain would reduce activity during times of injury.
Not to sound pedantic, but a fMRI would be much more, though not 100%, authoritative.
Clearly, I don't see where God needs to be in order to explain this story, and why these apparently "stumped" doctors aren't being heralded as heroes...
Originally posted by Rogue JediIf they do the first they aren't atheists. If they do the second they are absolutely right, where the **** is your God when shit happens? Why is he only around in your minds when good stuff happens?
Hey, I am only going with what I have been told by some of the atheists I have spoken to. Some of them actually do blame God when something goes wrong, or, more likely, says some shit like "Where was God when this happened" just to get their point across. Its not my fault the ones I have spoken to are idiots.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What about the many more times that people pray for something and ... well nothing happens?
Tha lourd werks n myster'us whays....
Originally posted by Schecter
wow...a doctor mistakenly declared a man braindead. this must mean that god is real and that neoconservatives were right about terry schaivo.
Do you hear that? It's the sound of no one in congress doing anything.