Darth Vader possesses a greater connection to the Force, greater experience and longer instruction in the dark side of the Force, and has spent the vast majority of his Imperial career personally executing futigive and renegade Jedi. He is also the master of an apprentice who is powerful enough to rip out an Imperial-class Star Destroyer from a high altitude and drag it across the ground, and lastly, he possesses a greater physical strength and a lightsaber to counter Darth Malak's Force lightning.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
ERRRR... I just forgot the entire SW Saga for a minute, thanks for the correction. The other two then.
No problem.
Out of curiosity, are the Force powers in the KotOR series considered to be actual manifestations? Is there truly a "Force whirlwind" attack or is it aggrandized telekinesis? And, do the aforementioned demonstrations of Malak's power occur when he is being enhanced by the Star Forge?
Originally posted by Darth SexyDidn't he force drain captive jedi whom were unconscious? And what does it mean if he does not know 2 of the abilities malak has? That he is inferior to malak?
However Escape, Malak showed impressive force drain, force choke, and whirlwind abilities and it is unlikely Vader knows any of the three.
Has malak shown the ability to choke an opponent lightyears away as vader did to xizor in the bounty hunter wars?
Originally posted by Ivalice
Didn't he force drain captive jedi whom were unconscious? And what does it mean if he does not know 2 of the abilities malak has? That he is inferior to malak?Has malak shown the ability to choke an opponent lightyears away as vader did to xizor in the bounty hunter wars?
I think DS is trying to say that Malak might know more offensive force powers.
Originally posted by Gideon
He is also the master of an apprentice who is powerful enough to rip out an Imperial-class Star Destroyer from a high altitude and drag it across the ground.
Originally posted by Elite HunterVader himself has demonstrated 2 techniques that malak has not demonstrated and it compensates. Force crush and force wave.
I think DS is trying to say that Malak might know more offensive force powers.
Originally posted by Elite HunterThat is pure speculation from gamespot.
How exactly would that matter in this fight? From what I read there is a possibility that Vader might being using some device on the apprentice's wrist to control him.
Originally posted by Ivalice
That is pure speculation from gamespot.
The speculation I believe came from a picture in which the apprentice had electricity all over his right arm and it appears to enter the right side of his face. So let's just leave it at speculation for now and get back on topic.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:FUMiniatures.jpg
No problem.
Just for reference, anything demonstrated by Darth Malak aboard the Star Forge is subject to scrutiny.
http://www.wizards.com/default.aspx=starwars/article/sw20031009malak
Enhanced Force Powers -- Using a mysterious power source as yet undiscovered (complete Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic to learn more), Darth Malak possesses extraordinary dark side Force powers out of proportion, in game terms, with his class and level. He gained three additional Force feats and 24 bonus skill points exclusively for dark side skills. In any battle, the first Force point Darth Malak spends on a dark side-related roll does not subtract from his total.
I have pointed out a few things regarding Malak below:
Known Force abilities:
1) TK
2) Mind Dominate
3) Stasis Field
4) Force Lightning
5) Chain Lightning
6) Force Whirlwind
7) Force Choke
8) Drain Life
9) Stasis Field
10) Force Fear
11) Force Defense
12) Burst of Speed
NOTE: The full extent of Malak's Force knowledge is unknown.
Body Armor:
Than Malak wears an armor that is capable of protecting him from Light Saber attacks at certain angles. For example: Bastilla Shan threw her Light Saber at Malak on the Leviathan and it got deflected by Malak's armor.
Light Saber and dueling abilities:
Malak was among the most skilled swordsmen of his age.
Though only a young man, his skill in battle and prowess with the lightsaber had already earned him renown within the Order. (KOTOR Game official website)
According to Drew! he used Juyo form, when he became a Sith Lord.
And it should be noted that Malak used a Light Saber, that was bigger in length than the standard ones, thus giving him higher chances to hit his opponents.
General:
Additionally! Malak demonstrated Force Whirlwind on Leviathan, trapping Revan in it.
And it should be noted that 3 powerful and skilled warriors (Carth Onasi, Bastilla Shan and Revan) were unable to overcome Darth Malak on the Leviathan, which shows that Malak is a highly capable warrior even without the aid of Star Forge.
Also, Malak was Force choking two Jedi warriors simultaneously without even lifting a finger, on the Star Forge and he performed this feat without the help of any external source
And finally! Vader - Though a master of the dark side, is still highly vulnerable to Force abilities such as: Force Lightning, Force Whirlwind and Force Drain.
Originally posted by Gideon
He is also the master of an apprentice who is powerful enough to rip out an Imperial-class Star Destroyer from a high altitude and drag it across the ground, and lastly, he possesses a greater physical strength and a lightsaber to counter Darth Malak's Force lightning.
Vader's apprentice:
1. We don't know that he ripped that Star destroyer down to the ground. Mebbe he controlled the minds of the pilots, mebbe he used the force to destroy the engines or something like that.
2. Even if he did, video game feats have to be put back into context. For instance: can we call Jaden Korr stronger than Marka Ragnos because he defeated him on Korriban? I don't think so. For that matter, one of SEVERAL Jedi can defeat Darth Maul, if you take "Jedi Power Battles" seriously. So we can't do that. Video games, cartoons, and comics all have to be put in context of the original movies, or it ruins everything. We can say Yoda is the most powerful force user of all time, bar none, not even close, if we consider him picking up that fleet of seperatist ships and sending them back into space like he did.
Allow me to address a few points legend.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThis is where you will have to prove up that malaks armor is saber resistant, Find an actual statement other than your own assumptions and speculations because i can simply argue that he was wounded but chose to engage bastila in a fight.
I have pointed out a few things regarding Malak below:[b]Body Armor:
Than Malak wears an armor that is capable of protecting him from Light Saber attacks at certain angles. For example: Bastilla Shan threw her Light Saber at Malak on the Leviathan and it got deflected by Malak's armor.[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOk, so was vader who demonstrated incredible saber feats such as slaughtering an entire platoon of storm troopers who turned on him right before the officer in charge could even run to the door.
[b]Light Saber and dueling abilities:Malak was among the most skilled swordsmen of his age.
Though only a young man, his skill in battle and prowess with the lightsaber had already earned him renown within the Order. (KOTOR Game official website)
According to Drew! he used Juyo form, when he became a Sith Lord.
And it should be noted that Malak used a Light Saber, that was bigger in length than the standard ones, thus giving him higher chances to hit his opponents.[/B]
And using the force to do telekenetical lightsaber combat when he killed 6 storm troopers with one swipe of his lightsaber.
And this quote here from wookiepedia(which is backed up by shadows of the empire)
Around 3.5 ABY, Vader had ordered ASP-19 droids, lightsaber combat droids based on the ASP-series droid, to be produced to fight him in sparring matches. They were faster and stronger than an ordinary man, and programmed with the knowledge of a hundred sword masters and a dozen fighting styles. Vader defeated them time and again, and thus ordered new, improved batches of them. As his finesse improved, they became too easy to defeat, even in a two-on-one match.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo? Force attacks work on any one, even the strongest force users if you don't even attempt to resist or put up a defence.
Additionally! Malak demonstrated Force Whirlwind on Leviathan, trapping Revan in it.
Ok, lets put it that malak can trap vader in his whirlwind, but what is there to say that vader can't unleash an even more devastating attack on malak? Such as a force wave which can send an opponent flying back so fast that the moment the thug crashed the wall, it would be safe to assume it breaks every bone in his body(Empire betrayals
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOnasi is a non force user, bastila is a weakling when compared to malak or vader and revan, well thats the only feat i give credit to malak.
And it should be noted that 3 powerful and skilled warriors (Carth Onasi, Bastilla Shan and Revan) were unable to overcome Darth Malak on the Leviathan, which shows that Malak is a highly capable warrior even without the aid of Star Forge.
Nobody is denying that malak is a very good warrior but you have to acknowledge the fact that vader is also a very capable warrior and perhaps even greater than malak.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhile being empowered by the star forge? Vader was shown to suspend 10 wild dogs half his size in the air and instantly break all their necks without any effort.
Also, Malak was Force choking two Jedi warriors simultaneously without even lifting a finger, on the Star Forge and he performed this feat without the help of any external source
Also vader has choked xizor millions of lightyears in the bounty hunter wars but failed because emperor palpatine had stopped him from doing so.
And there is another feat of vader where he could send his opponent(tark) into the air with TK smashing him hard enough in the star destroyer interior until it causes a massive dent
Or vader catching a bolt fired by a storm trooper and channels raw force energy into it and sends it flying back at the stormtrooper with enough force and power to completely rip his head off.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOk, as for lightning vader has a lightsaber, as for force drain there is no proof that it would even kill him instantly or harm him as malak only demonstrated it on captive jedi which were in stasis while being empowered by the starforge.
And finally! Vader - Though a master of the dark side, is still highly vulnerable to Force abilities such as: Force Lightning, Force Whirlwind and Force Drain.
And any jedi are vulnerable to tk based attacks, even malak would be vulnerable to vaders superior TK.
