Dun Moch could even potentially hurt him against another sith lord like Malak and only make him tap into the dark side even more (as Luke did vs Vader) and as Tangible God said, Vader knows nothing personal about Malak so it would more likely hurt Vader to try and break Malak's will rather than concentrating on outdueling Malak.
I don't see how you sneak up on a force-sensitive. Especially one of Vader's caliber, so that theory is out. If Malak was attempting to defeat Vader and Vader was merely shrugging off his attacks, he could throw that in his face and talk shit and it would likely piss Malak off, as Sith are usually pretty hotheaded. If you want to call that Don Moch, then so be it, but i think it could be useful in that scenario.
Ok, i read all of Vader wookieepedia page, and i am not sure if this is right because my statement is based from it so plz excuse any errors: Vader fought with one hand for offense, two for defence. He had to use his tk to hurl objects at his opponents because his suit made him a very clumsy fighter because it hampered him so much. So, if Malak could stop the objects, then he may be able to kill Vader. Malak is also a very good lightsaber duelist, as is obvious on the Star Forge, which only HEALS sith, not amplifies their powers, as is shown in the Shan and Revan fight, Shan truly wanted to kill him. Revan was holding back, but thats off topic. Vader is very powerful in the force, (possibly being a pure creation of the force) and a clumsy fighter, but his style has been suited to his suit, so he wields a personal style, but must rely on tk to effectivly fight. Malak does not have such restrictions. I think Malak would be near death but come out the winner.
by the tl objects hurling comes from episode V, when he fights luke and throws stuff at him the whole time.
Vader a clumsy fighter? I see him beating malak, first off vader casually disabled and choked a jedi that tore part of a frickin space station apart and he nearly killed galen marek(who wernt toe to toe and beat vaders ass) in their final battle when he seized a massive telekinetic storm.
We also have vader crushing a massive hut that was described to be as durable as steel and we see vader destroying massive barriers in the TFU's scripted gameplay. Vader is also able to telekinetically suspend an entire pack of wild dogs and simultaneously killing then with one force attack
Vader is no slouch in the saber as well seeing that he, for a while at least was able to go head to head with darth maul in a pure saber duel, right before maul getting his light saber snapped apart and then wielding jar kai which vader isn't so great defending against, especially against darth maul, one of the deadliest sith apprentices in history.
And then in empire betrayel we see vader using the force to bend dozens of laser bolts fired at him in a different direction and even using the force to reflect a single bolt with enough energy to decapitate a storm trooper's head completely.
I don't see malak surviving this duel but i didn't say vader easily beats him either.
But don't use that logic where, "oh vaders opponents dont have his restrictions, so therefore they will win" sorta thing because if thats the case then every other force user, padawan, neophyte would beat vader as well.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Vader a clumsy fighter? I see him beating malak, first off vader casually disabled and choked a jedi that tore part of a frickin space station apart and he nearly killed galen marek(who wernt toe to toe and beat vaders ass) in their final battle when he seized a massive telekinetic storm.We also have vader crushing a massive hut that was described to be as durable as steel and we see vader destroying massive barriers in the TFU's scripted gameplay. Vader is also able to telekinetically suspend an entire pack of wild dogs and simultaneously killing then with one force attack
Vader is no slouch in the saber as well seeing that he, for a while at least was able to go head to head with darth maul in a pure saber duel, right before maul getting his light saber snapped apart and then wielding jar kai which vader isn't so great defending against, especially against darth maul, one of the deadliest sith apprentices in history.
And then in empire betrayel we see vader using the force to bend dozens of laser bolts fired at him in a different direction and even using the force to reflect a single bolt with enough energy to decapitate a storm trooper's head completely.
I don't see malak surviving this duel but i didn't say vader easily beats him either.
But don't use that logic where, "oh vaders opponents dont have his restrictions, so therefore they will win" sorta thing because if thats the case then every other force user, padawan, neophyte would beat vader as well.
by clumsy i mean he cant weild ANY regular forms, because of his suit, so he had to develop his own version of Shien/Djem So with Soresu and Ataru in it. But he cant do a lot of acrobatic crap. I still think Malak would win. Ph, and btw that blaster bolt stuff is FORCE, not lightsaber, i was talking about his lightsaber fighting, in which he is more on the clumsy than fluid side.
Originally posted by IncanusCant do acrobatic stuff? Read crimson empire then, it shows a very acrobatic vader.
by clumsy i mean he cant weild ANY regular forms, because of his suit, so he had to develop his own version of Shien/Djem So with Soresu and Ataru in it. But he cant do a lot of acrobatic crap. I still think Malak would win. Ph, and btw that blaster bolt stuff is FORCE, not lightsaber, i was talking about his lightsaber fighting, in which he is more on the clumsy than fluid side.
Or hell read rise of darth vader, his moves were described as fast, quick and acrobatic. It even states that his light saber style is unpredictable and that threw the number of jedi he duled off balance so that gives him an edge against malak in a pure saber duel.
Then again vader was able to keep up to darth maul , an incredibly skilled lightsaber duelist(that defeated anoon bondara i think whose saber skills were second to none at that time) at least until darth mauls lightsaber was broken in half and used jar kai which vader isn't that good at countering.
Now, exactly how good is malaks lightsaber skills? As far as we know it is virtually unknown just how good he really is and there is nothing to prove that he is even on par with vader as far as saber skills go.
Prove malak would win or simply concede.
Sorry but vader > malak in force and saber.
ok, Vader made HIS OWN STYLE. He included mostly Shien and Djem So, but had the not as acrobatic Ataru and Soresu moves in it, because he was not able to use them traditions forms traditionally. Suit wouldnt let him.
As for Malak he was a jedi guardian, those that focus on lightsaber combat. He was also a sith sorceror, whos to say he wouldnt make Vader see Padme or Shmi more likely and drive him insane? Zannah did that to Cyndra with sith sorcery, and 1 on 1 fight and Malak can use it, Vader would be screwed if he was insane and fighting imaginary demons and not Malak.
Originally posted by IncanusYour are starting to get on nerves, i have proven you WRONG that vader CAN move acrobatically but you simply refuse to shut up and listen and you choose to make yourself look more of a dumbass than you already are.
ok, Vader made HIS OWN STYLE. He included mostly Shien and Djem So, but had the not as acrobatic Ataru and Soresu moves in it, because he was not able to use them traditions forms traditionally. Suit wouldnt let him.
Being quick and acrobatic isn't dependent on the style but rather the user or practitionar.
But then again SO WHAT if vader can't fight and do acrobatic stuff? HOW does that show that his lightsaber skills isn't good at all which you are implying? Would you kindly prove up or shut the hell up?
READ CRIMSON EMPIRE and RISE OF DARTH VADER which SHOWS vaders ability to fight with ACROBATIC stunts.
Oh, and STOP being an idiot.
Originally posted by IncanusHOW is that an indicator on skill? HOW good is he exactly? Quantify, substantiate, prove up or shut up.
As for Malak he was a jedi guardian, those that focus on lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by IncanusEven if he could(which you cant prove he can) how exactly is that going to drive vader insane when it would probably make him more angry and more motivated to kill malak?
He was also a sith sorceror, whos to say he wouldnt make Vader see Padme or Shmi more likely and drive him insane?
And secondly, does malak even know who padme or shmi is? STOP pulling things out of your ass and for gods sake remove your head from your arse.
Originally posted by IncanusRight, zannah did it to a NON FORCE USER, so there fore with your half braincells, its going to work on an incerdibly powerful sith lord.
Zannah did that to Cyndra with sith sorcery, and 1 on 1 fight and Malak can use it, Vader would be screwed if he was insane and fighting imaginary demons and not Malak.
Great for logic! If thats the case vader would be able to choke malak millions of light years away seeing that vader did it to xizor easily in the bounty hunter wars.
I pretty much listed some of vaders strongest feats and yet you, like a fanboy in denial still choose to argue and make yourself look extremely stupid.
Its pretty obvious your a hardcore malak fanboy pulling things out of your ass and trying to use them for a debate. My advice is look at the facts, ACCEPT it, take your hand of your cock, stop jerking infront of malaks wallpaper and shut the hell up.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Your are starting to get on nerves, i have proven you WRONG that vader CAN move acrobatically but you simply refuse to shut up and listen and you choose to make yourself look more of a dumbass than you already are.Being quick and acrobatic isn't dependent on the style but rather the user or practitionar.
But then again SO WHAT if vader can't fight and do acrobatic stuff? HOW does that show that his lightsaber skills isn't good at all which you are implying? Would you kindly prove up or shut the hell up?
READ [B]CRIMSON EMPIRE
and RISE OF DARTH VADER which SHOWS vaders ability to fight with ACROBATIC stunts.Oh, and STOP being an idiot.
HOW is that an indicator on skill? HOW good is he exactly? Quantify, substantiate, prove up or shut up.
Even if he could(which you cant prove he can) how exactly is that going to drive vader insane when it would probably make him more angry and more motivated to kill malak?
And secondly, does malak even know who padme or shmi is? STOP pulling things out of your ass and for gods sake remove your head from your arse.
Right, zannah did it to a NON FORCE USER, so there fore with your half braincells, its going to work on an incerdibly powerful sith lord.
Great for logic! If thats the case vader would be able to choke malak millions of light years away seeing that vader did it to xizor easily in the bounty hunter wars.
I pretty much listed some of vaders strongest feats and yet you, like a fanboy in denial still choose to argue and make yourself look extremely stupid.
Its pretty obvious your a hardcore malak fanboy pulling things out of your ass and trying to use them for a debate. My advice is look at the facts, ACCEPT it, take your hand of your cock, stop jerking infront of malaks wallpaper and shut the hell up. [/B]
remember to stay calm. getting mad will only get you banned.
Ok, fo rone thing, i hate Malak, he is just a plain *****. And second, jedi guardians DID NOT HAVE to be exceptional lightsaber DUELISTS, they were just good at fighting. THIRD, I f you bothered to read Darth BAne:Rule of Two, you would know that the terrors inspired from Sith Sorcery DO NOT HAVE TO BE KNOWN TO THE CASTER. The caster plunges into their victims mind and tears their deepest and darkest fears from their head, and make them think they are seeing them, so Malak DOSNT HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT SHMI OR PADME. VADER DOES, AND HE DOES. And it MAY work on Vader, no one has tried it. Obviously, you cant stop staring at Vader. And do you know how acrobatic Ataru IS? Yoda fights with it, AND HE IS ALWAYS JUMPING!!!!! I dont htink would be able to maintain that style for long. And yes, Malak IS suceptible to Force Choke, he just know how to tell when people are trying to choke him. Malak is like Revan, being a virtual unknown guy. Both were jedi guardians WHICH FOCUS ON PERFECTING LIGHTSABER SKILLS. I fyou say a guy who spent around 20 years pperfecting lightsaber combat is NOT good, then you are very messed up in that small little brain of yours. And if a guy was swinging a lighsaber at imaginary demons, do YOU think he would focus on Malak, when he wants to kill the creations of his own cranium first? And Zannah probably did it to jedi to, it just dosnt say. Next youll be saying Vader would kill BANE. Even Sidious would have a hard time of that......
Originally posted by IncanusThen why bring it out in the first place noob?
Ok, fo rone thing, i hate Malak, he is just a plain *****. And second, jedi guardians DID NOT HAVE to be exceptional lightsaber DUELISTS,
Originally posted by IncanusPoint taken, but im still going to have fun destroying your arguments and posts.
they were just good at fighting. THIRD, I f you bothered to read Darth BAne:Rule of Two, you would know that the terrors inspired from Sith Sorcery DO NOT HAVE TO BE KNOWN TO THE CASTER. The caster plunges into their victims mind and tears their deepest and darkest fears from their head, and make them think they are seeing them, so Malak DOSNT HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT SHMI OR PADME. VADER DOES, AND HE DOES.
Originally posted by IncanusOh so it "may" work on vader, is there any proof at all? When was the last time a sith spell successfully worked on a powerful individual, hell even nomi sunrider could easily be immune and resist sith spells thus negating all of its effects.
And it MAY work on Vader, no one has tried it.
Sorry hun but you lose again.
The star wars universe "MAY" also take place in a microscopic scale in lucas rectum, without evidence dont claim it.
Prove it will work on vader, or shut up.
Even if malak knew such techniques(which once again you cannot and will not prove), why didn't he use it on revan in a fight to the death hmmmmmm?
Originally posted by IncanuslolObviously, you cant stop staring at Vader.
Originally posted by IncanusZOMG THATS OWNAGE!!!!
And do you know how acrobatic Ataru IS? Yoda fights with it, AND HE IS ALWAYS JUMPING!!!!!
You forget that obi wan wasn't jumping as much as yoda did in TPM when he utilized that saber form, hell even AOTC anakin wasn't jumping that much. So whats your point dumbass? That because vader cant jump it means he sucks ass in saber skills?
Another idiot score point for you.
Originally posted by IncanusRead the above properly dick.
I dont htink would be able to maintain that style for long.
Originally posted by IncanusSame can be said for vader.
And yes, Malak IS suceptible to Force Choke, he just know how to tell when people are trying to choke him.
Originally posted by IncanusProve that its "perfecting lightsaber skills", again you ****ing moron even if that was the case, just HOW good is he is inconclusive.
Malak is like Revan, being a virtual unknown guy. Both were jedi guardians WHICH FOCUS ON PERFECTING LIGHTSABER SKILLS.
And focusing on saber combat doesn't mean focusing on perfecting your saber skills.
Another idiot point for you.
Originally posted by IncanusJust because you have been a jedi for 20 years doesn't mean your saber skills are ub3r.I fyou say a guy who spent around 20 years pperfecting lightsaber combat is NOT good, then you are very messed up in that small little brain of yours.
Yoda was 800 years old yet he could barely break sidious saber defences when he has like what? 40-50 years experience?
Another idiot point for you.
Originally posted by IncanusWell your the idiot that has yet to prove it will work on a powerful force user let alone prove malak knows this technique.
And if a guy was swinging a lighsaber at imaginary demons, do YOU think he would focus on Malak, when he wants to kill the creations of his own cranium first?
The stronger the force user, the stronger the resistance and defences.
Another idoit point for you!
Originally posted by IncanusStop pulling things out of your ass.And Zannah probably did it to jedi to, it just dosnt say.
Starwars also "probably" takes place in lucas anus, but it just doesn't say.
No evidence to prove it? Then shut up!
Originally posted by IncanusSidious as of dark empire would beat bane rather comfortably.
Next youll be saying Vader would kill BANE. Even Sidious would have a hard time of that......
OWNED again.
read this wookieepedia excerpt dude. About Malaks canonical powers and abilities. And dude, i said VADER and Bane, not Sidious and Bane, you just dont want to have to face the fact that the guy that you wish slept in your bed would die if faced by this guy, and die FAST.
Having been a Jedi Guardian,[49] Darth Malak was a skilled lightsaber duelist. He spoke and comprehended several languages, including Basic and the Sith language.[2] Contrasting his Sith Master Revan, Malak used brute force rather than strategy to defeat his enemies, as demonstrated when he ordered both the bombing of Telos IV and the destruction of Taris.[7]
As a Jedi, Malak was known to have used the Force as a means of protection and for healing.[48] When he was a Sith Lord, Malak could use the Force to choke more than one person at a time, demonstrating this ability to Revan when he simultaneously choked two Jedi that he had captured just before their final confrontation. Immediately after that, he also displayed his ability to throw his lightsaber, igniting and throwing it at one of the captured Jedi's chest, killing him. His strength with the Force enabled him to create a whirlwind of Force energy that would encircle his victim, and he could use the Force to create a stasis field which froze his enemies in place. Malak was also proficient in using the Force to augment his speed, and could also use it to supress the abilities of another Force-user. He could render himself virtually invulnerable to most Force powers for a limited amount of time, and could also use the Force to leap large distances in order to reach his enemyThe Dark Lord also could use the Force to amplify his screams, triggering shock waves that rippled through the Force. Malak could also use the Force to tap into his innermost fears, pain and hate, and convert them into intense anger, channeling it to increase his speed, strength, and ferocity. His connection to the dark side gave him the use of Dark Healing,[2] an ability that fueled regenerative processes by draining the life force of another.[50] He was also skilled in the use of Sith sorcery.[2] During his time as a Sith, Malak was especially proficient in the use of Force lightning, which he continually used with ease while torturing Bastila Shan and while dueling his former Master for the last time.[7]
So i add empahsis to some things, INVULNERABLE TO A FORCE USERS POWERS, SUPRESS ANOTHERS FORCE POWERS, DARK HEALING, AND STASIS FIELD.