Dr. Doom versus Apocalypse

Originally posted by redhotrash
When has Apocalypse used magic exactly? As far as Doom's magic, its more prep based. You dont often see him leave the house and just decide to start flinging spells. Maybe he could, but he hasnt shown it. Matter of fact when stripped naked, Dr. Doom killed a lion with his bare hands, rather than use any spells.

Yea, you haven't read anything recent with Doom, have you?

If they just bumped into each other out of nowhere, as much as I want to say Doom,,,,I cant. Apocalypse would probably take this.

There is nothing that APOC has that DOOM hasn't seen a 1000x, APOC can't say the same. Doom 10/10 prep/or no prep makes no difference.

I think Apocalypse takes doom down pretty hard.

I gave up on Mighty Avengers when it became clear the writers didnt know wtf they were doing. Through the bulk of Doom's career he has never relied heavily on magic. And regardless, if we are talking a non-jobbing Apocalypse, he should win. Apocalypse isnt meant to be harmed through convential means (physical blows, energy blasts). People seem to forget he has total control over his body's molecular structure, has telepathic abilities, and has celestial tech.
Like I said, give Doom a few minutes of prep to get his proper gear and he wins, wearing his standard armor he shouldnt be able to beat Apocalypse

Originally posted by BatmanOfGotham
And how would Doom come over Celestial tech?

Granted Apocalypse has some bad showings but when you get down to the grassroots of what his powers are supposed to be and go off that, he is well above Doom.

Originally posted by redhotrash
In a straight, unprepped, 1 on 1, spontaneous fight Apocalypse should be able to overwhelm Doom assuming Doom is wearing his standard gear. Give Doom... hell 10 minutes of prep to grab some more specialized equipment he has laying around and its another story.

Co-signed!

Apocalypse is a genius in all, but it seems more in the field of general Intelligence rather than actually implementing an ingenious plan/strategy.

Normally Apoc is more powerful than Dr Doom however DD relies more on his Mind than Apocalypse does, and has proved far more adept at accomplishing his goals.

non-prep Apoc wins 8.5/10

w/ prep "The Good Doctor" takes 9.9/10

PS- I think DD would use Celestial Tech a lot more effectively than Apoc.

Doom would definately do more with celestial tech, and hes a better loser than Apocalypse. When Doom spends maybe 6 months on a plan that nearly takes over the world but fails when the entire Avengers roster gets involved, he just pulls a Dr. Claw "NEXT TIME!" and chaulks it up as a loss and moves on. Apocalypse will spend 300+ years on a plan just to be foiled by teenaged mutants and will try to save face claiming it was all intentional (yeah.. right).
Either way Apocalypse suffers from a terrible case of misuse. The guy is class 100 strength, can grow to enormous sizes, can form his limbs into all sorts of weapons, has telepathy, alien technology, can teleport, etc etc, but KMC'ers still put in him fights against streetlevelers. Apocalypse should be a team buster. Again, blame Marvel.

Fairly certain this has been done. Nevertheless,

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Co-signed!

Apocalypse is a genius in all, but it seems more in the field of general Intelligence rather than actually implementing an ingenious plan/strategy.

Normally Apoc is more powerful than Dr Doom however DD relies more on his Mind than Apocalypse does, and has proved far more adept at accomplishing his goals.

non-prep Apoc wins 8.5/10

w/ prep "The Good Doctor" takes 9.9/10

PS- I think DD would use Celestial Tech a lot more effectively than Apoc.

This seems to be accurate.

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Apocalypse is a genius in all, but it seems more in the field of general Intelligence rather than actually implementing an ingenious plan/strategy.

Well, he's suppose to be a "master strategist in combat"... according to the handbooks.

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Normally Apoc is more powerful than Dr Doom however DD relies more on his Mind than Apocalypse does, and has proved far more adept at accomplishing his goals.

Untrue.

I think the only time Apoc's goals have REALLY failed was in the BoA arc

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
The same way everyone else does.

You mean like how people claim that Apoc gets coffee tables thrown at him in every issue?

Originally posted by redhotrash
When Doom spends maybe 6 months on a plan that nearly takes over the world but fails when the entire Avengers roster gets involved, he just pulls a Dr. Claw "NEXT TIME!" and chaulks it up as a loss and moves on.

Doesn't Doom job to the Fantastic Four?

Why hasn't he killed them again?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Apocalypse will spend 300+ years on a plan just to be foiled by teenaged mutants and will try to save face claiming it was all intentional (yeah.. right).

🙄

I'm not sure why people have been bringing up prep....there's no prep

Apocalypse trashes Doom without prep. I am also not too sure that Doom even with prep could have faught High Evolutionary as well as Nur did.

how come these two never met on panel before, or did I miss that?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
how come these two never met on panel before, or did I miss that?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
too much ego to put in one storyline

the dialog would be great though, apocalypse has a way of humbling the best of the best just by speaking but on the flip side, doom believes he is superior to all minds on earth.

If marvel wants my money again they should make it happen.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Well, he's suppose to be a "master strategist in combat"... according to the handbooks.

Untrue.

I think the only time Apoc's goals have REALLY failed was in the BoA arc

You mean like how people claim that Apoc gets coffee tables thrown at him in every issue?

Doesn't Doom job to the Fantastic Four?

Why hasn't he killed them again?

with no prep,apoc comfortably

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Your talking about a team with a member who can match Doom in intelligence.

Apocalypse is up there with pure inteligence with Doom and Richards. It's only that Marvel writes him bad in all departments.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Apocalypse is up there with pure inteligence with Doom and Richards. It's only that Marvel writes him bad in all departments.