Dr. Doom versus Apocalypse

without prep, apocalypse make short work of doom, after all apocalypse is an amalgam of hulk, martian manhunter, and doom himself(imo) (just written to plague humanity forever, he isn't ALLOWED to win)

Ummm, he may be an amalgam of them, but only with a small portion of what each is capable of.

on an paper amalgam then

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Doom vs the Fantastic four is different. Your talking about a team with a member who can match Doom in intelligence.

Doom claims to be smarter. crackers

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Not one member of the X-men should be smart enough to take on Apocalypse but it happens alot. Lets be real the x-men are a great team but the pinnacle of intelligence they are not.

Happens a lot? When has Apoc been outsmarted by the X-Men?

As far as I can recall, Apocalypse was defeated when Cyclops "Drew upon the strength of the Grey lineage" which is as PIS as it can get.

And he was killed by the Psimitar after his psychic essence had been separated from Cyclops' body? Another plot weapon.

And recently he was beaten thanks to Pulse further depowering an Apocalypse that had already drained enough blood from himself to fill several huge tanks.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Apoc is not comparable in intelligence to Reeds. Reed humiliates him in the IQ department.

He surely is comparable.

Originally posted by llagrok
As far as I can recall, Apocalypse was defeated when Cyclops "Drew upon the strength of the Grey lineage" which is as PIS as it can get.

And he was killed by the Psimitar after his psychic essence had been separated from Cyclops' body? Another plot weapon.

And recently he was beaten thanks to Pulse further depowering an Apocalypse that had already drained enough blood from himself to fill several huge tanks.

So you're trying to say Apoc should win, right?

I wouldn't doubt for a second that Doom could take 3 or 4/10, but with no time to prepare for this battle I believe Apocalypse has the power to win the majority, if written properly.

Originally posted by nimbus006
So you're trying to say Apoc should win, right?

No no, just that the methods the x-men have used to beat him won't hold on KMC.

There's no psimitar, no summers/grey bloodline and Apocalypse hasn't been drained of blood.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Doom claims to be smarter. crackers

Happens a lot? When has Apoc been outsmarted by the X-Men?

Doom usually has access to magic, and his doom bots via his suite.

Originally posted by Xplosive
He surely is comparable.

No

Originally posted by llagrok
No no, just that the methods the x-men have used to beat him won't hold on KMC.

Yea, I completely agree.

Originally posted by Mindset
No

Yes.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes.

Nope

Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Not really outsmarted just beaten.

A. AOA just attack his and hes defeated

Alternative reality. Doesn't count.

I also believe AoA Doom couldn't beat AoA Apoc...

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
C. Stryfe loss

Apoc was weakened.

And you know why Stryfe even attacked Apoc?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Each time hes beaten, he just looses. They have no plan at all.

Wrong. In BoA, the X-Men had a plan to defeat Apoc.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Reed's defeated Galactus...what has Apoc ever achieved?

You mean when the Watcher helped Human Torch steal the Ultimate Nullifier...?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Alternative reality. Doesn't count.

I also believe AoA Doom couldn't beat AoA Apoc...

Apoc was weakened.

And you know why Stryfe even attacked Apoc?

Wrong. In BoA, the X-Men had a plan to defeat Apoc.

Won't Doom's magical ability play a factor in this fight also? Does Apocalyspe have any defense against magic?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
You mean storm the pyramid. Since when is that a plan.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
His whole plan during BOA was terrible.

Apocalypse's basic plan - wipe out 90% of the human race to symbolically level the playing field for mutants - is absurd, yes.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
His plan with Onslaught was bad as well and didn't work.

It didn't work because of Invisible Woman.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Reed's defeated Galactus...what has Apoc ever achieved?

Apocalypse went toe to toe against High Evolutionary, actually got the better of him, schooled him and than you say Apocalypse intelligence is not even comparable to Reed Richards. Everything Richards can comprehend, I don't see why Apocalypse wouldn't. He would.
It's been said Richards cannot close comprehend Galactus technology, Apocalypse has good knowledge of Celestial technology and understands it, what he got. Look what he also made of Hulk (Reed couldn't even came up with something to stop World War Hulk and not even WWH couldn't do to Juggernaut what War Hulk did).
We know Apocalypse isn't close written in all departments as what he is capable and what he has.
Originally, he was the one to conquer and rule the Earth. Remember what Cable said to Thor and others. He said they don't even realize the threat of Apocalypse. Apocalypse made like they never even existed.
And if you remember, genius Kang the Conqueror (Nathaniel Richards) among all other Earth powerful beings, went after Apocalypse (because Apocalypse ruled the Earth) and failed with all his smartness and future technology to get him.
And are Celestials really so much below Galactus?
Don't tell me he can't even compare to Reed. It's the writing that can't compare because of Reed being generally much better written than Apocalypse and also being constant in writing.