Dr. Doom versus Apocalypse

Originally posted by Xplosive
Apocalypse went toe to toe against High Evolutionary, actually got the better of him, schooled him and than you say Apocalypse intelligence is not [b]even comparable to Reed Richards. Everything Richards can comprehend, I don't see why Apocalypse wouldn't. He would.
It's been said Richards cannot close comprehend Galactus technology, Apocalypse has good knowledge of Celestial technology and understands it, what he got. Look what he also made of Hulk (Reed couldn't even came up with something to stop World War Hulk and not even WWH couldn't do to Juggernaut what War Hulk did).
We know Apocalypse isn't close written in all departments as what he is capable and what he has.
Originally, he was the one to conquer and rule the Earth. Remember what Cable said to Thor and others. He said they don't even realize the threat of Apocalypse. Apocalypse made like they never even existed.
And if you remember, genius Kang the Conqueror (Nathaniel Richards) among all other Earth powerful beings, went after Apocalypse (because Apocalypse ruled the Earth) and failed with all his smartness and future technology to get him.
And are Celestials really so much below Galactus?
Don't tell me he can't even compare to Reed. It's the writing that can't compare because of Reed being generally much better written than Apocalypse and also being constant in writing. [/B]

people keep mentioning dooms magic,apoc coped okay against loki's magic.and dooms tech/armour would be nothing for apoc to overcome due to his celestial tech and techno-path abilities.

Doom easy

He has beaten better men with less.

For a guy the time and resources that he had Apocalypse is a pretty big disapointment . The guy had 1000s of years to work wirk with and Celestial tech and he still failed.

Doom is a mrtal man with only his intellect magic and guts to back him up and he did much much better then apocalypse ever did.

Originally posted by godking
Doom easy

He has beaten better men with less.

For a guy the time and resources that he had Apocalypse is a pretty big disapointment . The guy had 1000s of years to work wirk with and Celestial tech and he still failed.

Doom is a mrtal man with only his intellect magic and guts to back him up and he did much much better then apocalypse ever did.

Explain to me, what are Apocalypse's ambitions?

Originally posted by llagrok
Explain to me, what are Apocalypse's ambitions?

To talk a big game but, never ever accomplish anything with 1000's of years to attempt to do it.

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Originally posted by The Illuminati
To talk a big game but, never ever accomplish anything with 1000's of years to attempt to do it.

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Attempt... to accomplish... what?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231

The worst part was that he announced on television his plan knowing they would storm his pyramid afterword. What countermeasures does he have for this
"Gambit" and a bomb.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Attempt... to accomplish... what?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
That plan is akin to
Fantastic four vs Doom.

No, it's more like Lex Luthor using a ray gun that projects red sunlight on Superman while a bunch of normal thugs beats the crap out of him.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
if all there doing is using their powers to storm the pyramid and attack apocalypse. Thats not a plan thats storming the pyramid to use their mutant powers on Apocalypse and thats a plan beneath the likes of even Spiderman. I mena seriously I wonder if the avengers will run straight in and battle the villian in the next issue, sounds like a plan.

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Originally posted by HueyFreeman
The worst part was that he announced on television his plan knowing they would storm his pyramid afterword. What countermeasures does he have for this
"Gambit" and a bomb.

You mean like someone wouldn't notice a huge f*cking pyramid floating around?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Thats by biggest gripe with Apocalypse, whats his biggest accomplishment

Villains doesn't accomplish squat.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
AOA and even then he didn't set that into motion.

What are you talking about?

How does Doom beat Apoc?

Apoc is stronger

Apoc is more durable

Apoc is more versatile

I guess Doom is smarter and has some magic abilities?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
How does Doom beat Apoc?

Apoc is stronger

Apoc is more durable

Apoc is more versatile

I guess Doom is smarter and has some magic abilities?

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And as smart as Doom? Really? Are you kidding me?
Has anyone seen what Doom has done, when they make this claim?
Or are they like me when I first came on this forum, and thought he was just a man in a metal suit... and Iron Man would kill him?

Because it seems to me...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Great logic... Apoc would beat Dr Strange as well. 👆
Hell, throw Ancient One in there, and Apoc would surely hand him his ass.

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And as smart as Doom? Really? Are you kidding me?
Has anyone seen what Doom has done, when they make this claim?

also, I said Doom is smarter

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Villains doesn't accomplish squat.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
No, it's more like Lex Luthor using a ray gun that projects red sunlight on Superman while a bunch of normal thugs beats the crap out of him.

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You mean like someone wouldn't notice a huge f*cking pyramid floating around?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
please, Doom's magic abilities is like finger painting compared to Dr. Strange.

also, I said Doom is smarter

Plus, I never said anything about any power levels. You're logic is that:

Apoc is stronger - well, Doom is way closer to Apoc's strength, than Strange is (although, I feel I have to say that he's not close... because I can see you misinterpreting what I'm throwing down).

Apoc is more durable - Doom is closer than Apoc's durability, than Strange is.

Apoc is more versatile - This isn't even correct... but, I guess he's more versatile than Strange as well... 😕

Using your incredibly awesomtastic logic. Doom would stand a better chance against Apoc, than Strange would. As you only picked elements of fighting that you feel would win Apoc the fight. You never said anything about magic abilities. You never said anything about blasting power. You never said anything about effectiveness... etc.

Doom whips out his anti-matter canon, and blows Apoc out of the fight. 🙂

Was that part addressed to you? I thought I made it clear when I cut off that part from the part I actually quoted of your awesome post. Ah... C?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
No, it's more like Lex Luthor using a ray gun that projects red sunlight on Superman while a bunch of normal thugs beats the crap out of him.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Legion was responsible for the AOA not Apocalypse just like wanda being responsible for the House of M and not Magneto.

Not... really.

Legion kills Xavier. Apoc awakes from his sleep earlier than he did in 616 and, well, conquers the world.

That reminds me of this video...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/257930

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Doom has accompled much ranging from SS-Galactus-Beyonder. Apocalypse height is Loki and even then he didn't really win. So yes many villians do accomplish something its just Poccy who doesn't.

What the hell are you talking about.

Accomplishing WHAT?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
And thats not the work of a genius either. An idiot could come up with the idea of using red sun against superman which is my point entirely. The plan that stopped him in BOA is something Deadpool could probably come up with.

Didn't the Mighty Avengers recently take down Doom by brute force?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Thats the problem, what was his plan. Kill the majority of the population but wait in a huge pyramid without counter measures for any of the teams but a cliche bomb . Thats it. Thats not a plan, thats waiting for an ass-beating.

The Avengers were actually having trouble with Apoc's pyramid. And Cap said that they could wait a couple of days for the Fantastic Four to help.

Then the X-Men shows up with two new Sentinels.

Give Apoc a break.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Doom always has a plan whether its political, magical, or otherwise.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
To even put their intelligence in the same league is a little ridiculous.

Not really.

I believe even Uatu the Watcher has acknowledged Apoc's intellect.