Dr. Doom versus Apocalypse

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
This is my problem with his tech. He has access to tech that supposedly even the most brilliant minds in the world have trouble comprehending yet his upgrades are not far out of the characters power range or skill set.

The Watchers and the Cosmic Cube beings do not have that capability to understand Celestial tech...

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
It has taken Apocalypse thousand of years to learn his tech which of course is usually thwarted by the x-men.

The X-Men fights his tech?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Xcutioners song- bad
the twelve -bad

Apocalypse's appearances in those stories were not bad at all.

Originally posted by llagrok
Trouble with? Who does he has trouble with?

Every time he hasn't been depowered and fought the x-men, he has wiped the floor with them.

I never made any reference to any handbook or bio, so why even bother bringing them up?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
The Watchers and the Cosmic Cube beings do not have that capability to understand Celestial tech...

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Originally posted by Bad Ash231

The X-Men fights his tech?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231

Apocalypse's appearances in those stories were not bad at all.

In BOA, he was defeated by a mutant who can suppress powers. Isn't the mutant gene his specialty, thats like somone hacking dooms armor. I was suprised he had not counter measures for it.
In AOA his defeat by magneto beggered the question (How did he take over the world in the first place if Magneto alone had the power to stop him.)

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
In BOA, he was defeated by a mutant who can suppress powers. Isn't the mutant gene his specialty, thats like somone hacking dooms armor. I was suprised he had not counter measures for it.

Well, Pulse stated that he couldn't suppress Apoc's power forever.

Also, Apocalypse has been unaffected by power manipulation in the past.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
In AOA his defeat by magneto beggered the question (How did he take over the world in the first place if Magneto alone had the power to stop him.)

Bad writing?

AoA Apoc's power was stated to have been rivaled by Nate Grey.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Honestly - Besides his mutant enhancements, what has tech really been good for?

Just about anything?

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
He has had drag out battles with cable. With the techno organic virus inhibiting Cables powers he should plow through him but he doesn't.

He fought Cable once. And he needed him alive then.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
That doesn't excuse their lack of effectiveness. I have never seen his tech demonstrate anything beyond the likes of Richards or Doom. Sure it gives a few minor upgrades but they usually seem to be well within the test subjects powerset anyway. Even angels upgrades weren't impressive except for the fact that his wings became an offensive weapon. His strength and healing were already regularly part of his powerset.

So Matter Manipulation has always been a part of Gambit's powerset? Polaris always had the ability to manipulate diseases? Wolverine was always capable of interfering with telepathy, teleportation, etc?

Oh yeah, basic powers.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
He has had drag out battles with cable. With the techno organic virus inhibiting Cables powers he should plow through him but he doesn't.

Apocalypse needed Cable for the machine. Not that Cable's bones weren't broken, etc. It's even stated by the author :/

And Cable only uses 20% of his telekinesis to lock away the TK virus, not to mention that he had the Psimitar which automatically focuses all his psionic energies...

I can't say who would win without prep,
but with prep,
Doom curbstomps Apoc.

Doom's greatest feat (without stipulations or outside manipulation)
was when he actually re-constructed a fractured Cosmic Containment Unit,
this CCU not only merged 616 with 3 other entire UniverseS,
but it nearly collapsed the Omniverse entire,
Roma had to interfere and save the day through plot.

Doom stealing Beyonder's power should be disregarded,
as that event was coerced by the Beyonder himself.

Doom DID however steal SS's power,
and the energies contained within Galactus' ship (which made him a universal power)

Doom was the only being that nearly got the best of Magus during Infinity War,
had the IG not become functional at the very last moment, he would've succeeded.

Also,
the only being to nearly get over on Akhenaten was Doom (besides Thanos of course)
Akhenaten was tapping the power of THOTI as we all know.

Again, with prep, only Reed compares to Doom,
and only Thanos surpasses him.

prep is debatable, these two could very well play a chess match against each other that involves the whole world just to get each other, but isn't that nur's department though?

in a h2h confrontation however heck... nur created guys that could go h2h against doom, nur himself is too much.

any good writer just going off of apocalypse's molecular control power(as i used in another thread) could just replicate the powers of the multiple man and that in of itself is enough for most heroes.

ten apocalypses versus________ (put in any character under surfer .)
apocalypse stomps them.

when was the last time doom and apoc bumped into eachother

intelligence-

en sabah nur-

"Apocalypse is a genius, a level of which humanity cannot comprehend, and has knowledge of certain areas of biology, primarily genetic engineering and mutation, and technology that are far in advance of contemporary science and technology. This was not merely a result of his exposure to alien technology, as he was able to make significant new advances beyond the alien materials to which he was exposed."

victor von doom-

"Genius-level Intellect: Doctor Doom's most dangerous weapon is his genius-level intellect. He is easily one of the top mortal minds on the planet. Doom has constructed hundreds of devices, including a working time machine (the first of its kind on Earth), devices which can imbue people with superpowers, and many types of robots. His most frequently used robots are his "Doombots," exact mechanical replicas of the real Doctor Doom. They look like him, talk like him, and even act like him. Individually, Doombots have an advanced AI (artificial intelligence) so that each one believes itself to be the real Doom. As a safety measure, each Doombot has a dampener program that is triggered whenever the real Doom (or another Doombot) is nearby. These "body doubles" appear when Doom cannot be present or is unwilling to risk his own life, and are often responsible for Doom's return from certain death. Another common type of robot used is the Servo-Guard, the police force of Latveria. Doom specializes in physics, robotics, cybernetics, genetics, weapons technology, biochemistry, and time travel. He also has natural talents for leadership, strategy, politics, and manipulation."

so, doom is impressive, but apocalypse has godlike wisdom(thousands of years of earth study) and future time line experiences that expand his wisdom to unknowable heights.

idduno, I have to give intelligence to nur due to wisdom and the fact that he is psychic must impact his learning process, doom is great for a mortal so i'm not bias rather going with what i've got.

if doom had some prep to stud apoc for awhile he could come up with something to destroy him but without planning an attack i dont think doom can take apoc solo. if doom had magneto on his side or something hed take him out

yeah but what pray tell can kill him?
if apocalypse had the same plan of killing doom, who would be most likely to succeed, an immortal that can control their very molecules, etc or a mortal human being that is a master scientist, etc. my money is on the immortal one.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yeah but what pray tell can kill him?
if apocalypse had the same plan of killing doom, who would be most likely to succeed, an immortal that can control their very molecules, etc or a mortal human being that is a master scientist, etc. my money is on the immortal one.

but that would make the thread doom and magneto vs apocalypse

Originally posted by psycho gundam
but that would make the thread doom and magneto vs apocalypse

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yeah but what pray tell can kill him?
if apocalypse had the same plan of killing doom, who would be most likely to succeed, an immortal that can control their very molecules, etc or a mortal human being that is a master scientist, etc. my money is on the immortal one.

You just lost your money.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
if doom had magneto on his back he can take out apoc easy cause magnus can control apoc

No, he can't, except with bad writing. Otherwise, he can't control him. Greater power couldn't control him.

If they go all out, Apocalypse takes a plan to kill Doom, Doom sets to kill Apocalypse Apocalypse takes him out of existence.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, he can't, except with bad writing. Otherwise, he can't control him. Greater power couldn't control him.

If they go all out, Apocalypse takes a plan to kill Doom, Doom sets to kill Apocalypse Apocalypse takes him out of existence.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
magneto has controlled apocs body before dude

Enlighten me then. Except of AOA, when Magneto killed him with bad writing, really bad writing with that in the end. And, it wasn't 616, you know.

Tell me when he also controlled him?