Obi-Wan vs Mace Windu

Originally posted by skywalker833
Ok. It seems you have enough proof. By the way, what level is Yoda?

Anakin is higher than obi wan?

Obi wan was stated to be one of the best lightsaber swordsman the order had ever seen. Maybe even better than Mace Windu. I'm not saying obi wan is better, i'm saying he is probably a better swordsman.

Wrong. Obi-Wan is one of the best swordsmen the Order has ever seen. Anakin, Yoda and Mace are amongst the few who are above him and yes, Anakin is above Obi-Wan, on Mustafar, Kenobi was lucky that he got the high ground and Anakin made stupid mistake. Had Kenobi not gotten the high ground, he would soon have been finished. "This is the end for you, my master." Anakin said that in a calm voice. He isn't even breathing hard! But look at Obi-Wan when he says "I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." he is panting, usually a sign of exhaustion. George Lucas has also stated that, had the fight continued without Kenobi getting the high ground, Anakin would have won.

Originally posted by darthsith19
George Lucas has also stated that, had the fight continued without Kenobi getting the high ground, Anakin would have won.

I agree with you but where did he say that?

But he did, and that was a wise choice on his part. I agree, Mace would win, but I know for a fact that Obi wan and Anakin are equals.

Originally posted by skywalker833
but I know for a fact that Obi wan and Anakin are equals.

VERY debatable

It is true.

Originally posted by skywalker833
It is true.

In fact your opinion is very debatable if Anakin fights him like he did vs dooku than obiwan would lose. In the rots novel. Dooku acknowledges that Anakin is beating(right before dooku says" i sense great fear in you...) him and he he can sense Anakin is not going all out yet still winning.

Originally posted by truejedi
Kenobi can protect himself in the force... Grievous had no such protection.

Uhuuuuuuuh

and he didnt defend against dooku's force choke so he probably wont be able to defend against mace's force crush either.

by the way, these guys are right, mace comfortably beat the palp but obi wan seemed to struggle against darth vader.

so i say mace is a better duelist seeing as how obi wan wont be able to get a hit in with his soresu

Obi Wan can trap people in there own defense. But yes, Mace would beat Obi Wan. I still find it hard to believe that Anakin is better than Kenobi. He may have the potential, but Obi Wan is wiser, and has much more experience in lightsaber battles.

Originally posted by skywalker833

Obi Wan is wiser, and has much more experience in lightsaber battles.

i already said experience doesnt equal wins

qui gon was more expirienced but still lost to maul
same with dooku and anakin

Actually, experience does matter quite a bit. Because of it, obi1 is used to fighting a bladed opponent. And Obi wan is a master of Soresu, Anakin is not a master at any form.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Wrong. Obi-Wan is one of the best swordsmen the Order has ever seen. Anakin, Yoda and Mace are amongst the few who are above him and yes, Anakin is above Obi-Wan, on Mustafar, Kenobi was lucky that he got the high ground and Anakin made stupid mistake. Had Kenobi not gotten the high ground, he would soon have been finished. "This is the end for you, my master." Anakin said that in a calm voice. He isn't even breathing hard! But look at Obi-Wan when he says "I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." he is panting, usually a sign of exhaustion. George Lucas has also stated that, had the fight continued without Kenobi getting the high ground, Anakin would have won.

I never heard anyone say that Anakin was one of the people better than him. Kenbi was not lucky he got the high ground, it was a wise choice, that is part of the battle.

Originally posted by skywalker833
Actually, experience does matter quite a bit. Because of it, obi1 is used to fighting a bladed opponent. And Obi wan is a master of Soresu, Anakin is not a master at any form.

I never heard anyone say that Anakin was one of the people better than him. Kenbi was not lucky he got the high ground, it was a wise choice, that is part of the battle.

expirience does matter but not as much as most say

it doesnt equal a win

I know, but it helps. Anyway, I think everyone agrees mace wins?

Originally posted by skywalker833
I know, but it helps. Anyway, I think everyone agrees mace wins?

pretty much

i agree Mace wins, but in reference to the above, i think Anakin would lose 8 out of 10 to Obi. Obi fought from the position of advantage the entire fight, giving ground, just like Soresu dictates. Goading Anakin, Almost killing him in the hallway, almost leaving him to die on the Girder or whatever it was. Obi-Wan just knows anakin to well to lose to him. His style is a perfect counter for Anakin's rage. Soresu is at its best against many strikes at once, using the other person's own energy against them with minimal effort to wear them down. Eventually anakin, being immature, in this fight, will always make the mistake. Name one mistake Obi-wan made in his fight against anakin, one overcalculation. He was in complete control.

Exactly, you should go on the Anakin vs obi wan post though, that is where it is being talked about now.

Originally posted by skywalker833
But he did, and that was a wise choice on his part. I agree, Mace would win, but I know for a fact that Obi wan and Anakin are equals.

That pretty much ends the fanboy's 'arguments', I'd say.