also if Obi-Wan and Mace have the same midi-chlorian count then thats what Anakin might mean by power... we cant just assume by power he means whose the better lightsaber duelist. This would also mean Obi-wan has the potential to be the next Mace Windu as he gets older. But in terms of wisdom the next yoda...
I dnt see the confusion here..
Jumping was Anakin saying id rather die than surrender to you... so ill take my chances.. Surrendering is losing... Either way hed lost the fight.... not because he was stupid... but because Obi-Wan just outplayed him plain and simple... yes chosing the dark side was his choice... but were not talking about that... were talking about Anakins apparent stupidity in losing the fight...
and with the line from AOTC yes he did say Obi-wan is as powerful not that he has the potential to be.... but thing is this isnt politics where he has to explain exactly what he means... not everyone talks in black and white terms.... it may have been a perfectly reasonable implication and assumption as far as he was concerned....
also if Obi-Wan and Mace have the same midi-chlorian count then thats what Anakin might mean by power... we cant just assume by power he means whose the better lightsaber duelist. This would also mean Obi-wan has the potential to be the next Mace Windu as he gets older. But in terms of wisdom the next yoda...
^ ✅ hit the nail on the head. I real want to see the evidence that puts ATOC Kenobi equal to Mace other than Anakin's opinion.
Though I always wondered why Anakin didn't try to jump to the side and fight Kenobi on even ground there was like an entire coast line he could have jumped on. Big mistake there
Originally posted by darthsith19
Yeah I know. I think he was just waaaaaaay to overconfident.
i would agree with you, except that Obi-Wan apparently thought
the fight was over too.. which is weird, because they had each been in more spectacorlorly terrible strategic positions at different points in the fight, and each had fought their way out of it. Like most saber duels in stars wars, it ended simply because it was time for it to end. The reason TPM qui gonn fight is the best, is because he is in mid swing when he gets stabbed in the stomach. EVERY other fight, somebody freezes, or does something stupid, and then dies. (possible exception is Mace kicking the saber out of palps hand, though that was only to make up for the incredibly stupid beginning, with three jedi standing still, looking at each other, being killed one by one)
too bad TPM fight went so bad after that, with Maul standing there thinking "huh?" as Obi-Wan jumps out of the pit, gets the saber, and then slices him in two.
well iv given my opinion and explained why i think that so i dnt see the point in carrying on arguing about it... lets just agree to disagree..
before Anakin jumped Obi-Wan sed "its over Anakin... I have the High Ground"... so as far as the movie was concerned the fight was already won at that point and so theres no point in arguing what anakin could have or should have done after that...
also with Anakins line in AOTC.... i dnt think he was being his usual arrogant self simply because he wasnt talking about himself... he was comparing Obi-Wan to different jedis so hes most likely to be a lot less biased.. and there was no reason for Lucas to put that line in the film if it didnt mean anything...
My intial assumption when i first watched the film is that Anakin meant Obi-Wan and Mace have very similar midi-chlorian counts after all the talk of midi-chlorians from the first film... Can I prove that?? No of course i cant... iv not sat down with Anakin to discuss exactly what he meant by that line... lol!! but similarly no one can prove that Aankin was talking about who would win in a fight..
And since Obi-Wan seemed to know what Yodas midi-chlorian count was it is a fair assumption that Jedis who know each other well are probably aware of what other jedis midi-chlorian counts are... its probably no secret, so Anakin would most likely know better than you or me in that respect..
Thats it.. thats my opinion on those 2 things which iv given my reasoning for, so im not gna carry on arguing back and forth on the same thing..
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
^ ✅ hit the nail on the head. I real want to see the evidence that puts ATOC Kenobi equal to Mace other than Anakin's opinion.Though I always wondered why Anakin didn't try to jump to the side and fight Kenobi on even ground there was like an entire coast line he could have jumped on. Big mistake there
I think any jump Anakin made, Obi-Wan having the higher ground could have easily matched his jump but kept a bit higher, having the advantage..
we can nit pick all we like, but even according to Obi-Wan hed already won... and Obi-Wan certainly isnt stupid.
Lets just face it Obi-Wans a very smart and tactical fighter, and that added to having the saber skills to fight anakin off for so long is what gave him his victory.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
LOL, 'a very smart and tactical fighter', It wasn't that smart to fight your nemasis on a space station filled with about 200,000 stormtroopers.Bare in mind that Kenobi was stated to be a better diplomat than a fighter/stratagist.
He had no choice. If he didn't engage Vader, the Sith Lord would butcher Luke Skywalker and balance to the Force would never be achieved.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
before Anakin jumped Obi-Wan sed "its over Anakin... I have the High Ground"... so as far as the movie was concerned the fight was already won at that point and so theres no point in arguing what anakin could have or should have done after that...
Obiwan's opinion of the battle yes.
also with Anakins line in AOTC.... i dnt think he was being his usual arrogant self simply because he wasnt talking about himself... he was comparing Obi-Wan to different jedis so hes most likely to be a lot less biased.. and there was no reason for Lucas to put that line in the film if it didnt mean anything...
I think any jump Anakin made, Obi-Wan having the higher ground could have easily matched his jump but kept a bit higher, having the advantage..
we can nit pick all we like, but even according to Obi-Wan hed already won...
and Obi-Wan certainly isnt stupid
Lets just face it Obi-Wans a very smart and tactical fighter, and that added to having the saber skills to fight anakin off for so long is what gave him his victory.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
LOL, 'a very smart and tactical fighter', It wasn't that smart to fight your nemasis on a space station filled with about 200,000 stormtroopers.
Oh I don't know maybe escape was never his intention(as Vader even says) he fought Vader for a reason. Plus by the time he saw Luke coming he knew that had the duel went on Luke would come to try and help him which could have very well cost Luke his life as well as Leia's than there is no hope for the galaxy plus he knew by dying he can still help Luke.
Originally posted by darthsith19
It's a fact, ask anybody.But okay, Dark Rendezvous says Dooku and Mace are equals, while Obsession shows Dooku running from Mace in combat. Dooku was shown to be Kenobi's superior. Yoda also tells Obi-Wan that he is not powerful enough to face the Emperor. However, Mace is left on Coruscant when Yoda leaves so he can deal with the Emperor should he need to. Lucas states that you have to be either Yoda or Mace to be able to compete with the Emperor in a duel, as well. Kenobi's not in the list with them. All this is proof that Mace > Kenobi.
That and by RotS, Mace had surpassed Dooku.
Kenobi's defense is breakable, though only by Mace, Yoda and Sidious.
The fact that Obi-Wan is a lightsider would not detract from vapaad's deadliness towards him.
Even If Mace couldn't feed off Kenobi's darkness, he could still feed off his own which is the core tenent of the Form.
RotS Mace would beat Obi-Wan very badly, probally in half a minuite If he's being serious.
On another note, even TPM Mace, still being a Master of Juyo at that point could still beat RotS Kenobi - by the skin of his teeth.
Sort of. It was considered incomplete because they felt it required too much control to harness in battle and thusly was not pratical due to the danger of the Jedi easily falling to the Dark Side.
But, it has enough technical deadliness to surpass any other lightsaber Form, except it's later descendant, in sheer killing ability.
That Form coupled with Windu's own personal discipline and talents at that time would have allowed him to just barely, and I mean barely beat RotS Obi-Wan.