Daredevil v.s. Batman

Originally posted by Etrigan
thadarknite84:

You said that the noise of the city would distract Daredevil and confuse him, so that Batman could use that to his advantage. You do realise that in nearly every Daredevil comic he fights someone in the city and is more likely to use this to HIS advantage?

Secondly you mentioned a wrestler, Big Show, I think. That was a bit of a silly thing to do.

Thirdly, Daredevil is incredibly strong. I think (THINK) he can use his senses to find the easiest angle to lift something at, but I could be wrong. Batman may be generally stronger overall, but Daredevil is more acrobatic. Batman could not hit Daredevil if DD is flipping around him, drop-kicking him repeatedly in the face and throat, and aiming for weak spots in his body protection.

Also, don’t you guys hate it when other people purposely antagonise Wolverine fanboys just because it’s Wolverine?

I don't think this would make any difference. Batman is very acrobatic and agile himself.

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Originally posted by tkitna
Batman should be dead if he got hit by Aquaman like that. That was some great writing right there.

Batman is not stronger than DD.

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I agreed that Batman might take 6 out of 10, but your overrating the character a bit.

Batman is not stronger? Let me guest. lifting the rubble of a collapsed building doesn't require having more strength right? I'm not overrating, you're ignoring the the facts. I didn't make that up, you seen it with your own eyes. You're underrating Batman. DD is not at peak human strength Batman is. That's a fact.

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Originally posted by thadarknite84
Do you understand what peak human is? Batman's strength, speed, agility, stamina, durability are at the Pinnacle of human perfection.

How can Batman be peak human and only weigh 210lbs that is DC bulsh!t. Even cap at 240 lbs is a little light but he has SSS. Bats trains like a normal guy. Also being good at martial arts and being good at power lifting are virtually mutually exclusive. None of the really good martial artist in my gym are all that good at power lifting. There are rare exceptions Housten Alexander can bench 500lbs (which is not peak human)

Originally posted by severance
How can Batman be peak human and only weigh 210lbs that is DC bulsh!t. Even cap at 240 lbs is a little light but he has SSS. Bats trains like a normal guy. Also being good at martial arts and being good at power lifting are virtually mutually exclusive. None of the really good martial artist in my gym are all that good at power lifting. There are rare exceptions Housten Alexander can bench 500lbs (which is not peak human)

He does not train like an normal guy. If that was the case he would not be man he is today. Batman has nowhere near normal strength. And he is not just good at martial arts, he's a master.There is a lot more to lifting than just raw power. You also need technique. Someone who's smaller and has technique can lift more than someone who is much bigger without any technique. I've seen it many times. I lift weights myself. So I know what I'm talking about. And don't tell me that it's BS, tell DC Comics that.

Stronger= Batman
More adapted to a city fighting environment= Daredevil
More acrobatic= Daredevil
More intelligent= Batman (but there's no prep, so...)
More accurate= Daredevil
Better senses= Daredevil

In such an environment, DD is given the edge. 6/10, maybe 7/10

Originally posted by thadarknite84
He does not train like an normal guy. If that was the case he would not be man he is today. Batman has nowhere near normal strength. And he is not just good at martial arts, he's a master.There is a lot more to lifting than just raw power. You also need technique. Someone who's smaller and has technique can lift more than someone who is much bigger without any technique. I've seen it many times. I lift weights myself. So I know what I'm talking about. And don't tell me that it's BS, tell DC Comics that.

Exactly. You just basically proved the DD supporter's point. Batman is a bigger person than DD and can lift heavy weights, but DD has better technique due to senses so he can pick out perfect balance/angles. Did you see the scans? He wielded a 450 barbell like a staff, and then threw it about ten feet. That's pretty amazing.

And does strength really count? One blow in the right place and Batman is out for the count. He's not as acrobatic as DD. And if you don't believe that, I'll put up a shitload of DD's acrobat feats as well.

How is DD a matched with someone who has trained a lot longer, master almost every known fighting style from the best fighters in DC, physically superior, and is by far a more intelligent fighter overall?

Well actually Matt is faster and more agile then Bruce plus his hyper senses enable him to anticipate his opponents movements which would make things hard for Bruce. On the other hand, I believe in terms of endurance Bruce is superior and is more naturally skilled since I believe Matt's hyper senses put him on a equal footing with Batman. As far as battle savvy goes, I agree Bruce is superior there as well but Matt has still been proven to be very formidable in a city like element just like Bruce has. His feats are very impressive too.

BTW, more styles doesn't always equal more skilled automatically. Daredevil has been trained by the mystical Stick who's definitely more skilled then Bruce in martial arts.

Batman does not need prep or any gadgets in this fight. He's always thinking in the middle of a battle.

I'm aware of this but we're talking unarmed combat. In which case they're records against other elite fighters are quite comparable thus the reason why I believe it can go either way.

That's how he takes out much stronger foes. Do you think that DD with his superhuman senses and quick reflexes could take on Slade and do a better job than Batman?

Nope. I think Matt could at best do equally as good as Bruce on average judging by his fights with Captain America who I consider an equal to Slade in combat.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
DD is not at peak human strength Batman is. That's a fact.

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And yet DD's feats seem to match Batmans is speed and strength. 😈

This fights a coin toss.

Bats would likely get his ass handed to him every time. DD for the sweep. The radar sense will be too much for Batman to handle

Strongly disagree as we've seen elite MAs stalemate DD despite his senses. IMO, its his super senses that enable to do as well as he does. Without them he's not as formidable since Matt built his fighting style around his senses making him more effective in combat.

Bats or NW v.Slade fights I've seen have been choc full of PIS. No human is a match for Slade

Batman hitting Slade is one thing. Beating him should NEVER happen.

A little biased here are we?

It's a proven fact that Batman and NW have done quite well against Slade whether you like it or not.

I don't think hitting slade is PIS. to be honest I think slades overrate. He is physically superior, but not by a margin that would make batman unable to hit him. Batman's superior skill allows him to battle slade.

Exactly (except for the overrated part lol).

He never really beaten him though not that I recall.

He did KO Slade with his own rifle in Detective Comics but he was beaten the first time around.

Their feats match, but DD's senses bump him up over Batman's skills.

Stronger= Batman
More adapted to a city fighting environment= Daredevil
More acrobatic= Daredevil
More intelligent= Batman (but there's no prep, so...)
More accurate= Daredevil
Better senses= Daredevil

In such an environment, DD is given the edge. 6/10, maybe 7/10

Actually I'd say it goes like this:
Strength: Equal
Agility: DD (No different from NW or Batgirl IMO)
Speed: DD (slighty as his senses give him the edge)
Battle Savvy: Batman (you don't need prep in a city like environment to use it to your advantage)
Skill: Batman (although I put Matt on an equal footing overall due to his hyper senses)
Endurance: Batman

Not sure what you mean by accurate and senses are a given since Bruce has none.

No, I meant accuracy. As in, who is more likely to hit a target far away with a thrown object?

And I know Bruce has none. Which is part of the reason that DD wins.

Well i guess because he has none means he will lose right? lol

No, I meant accuracy. As in, who is more likely to hit a target far away with a thrown object?

And I know Bruce has none. Which is part of the reason that DD wins.

I thought the OP said no weapons?

btw bats has great aim

Sure does he's one of the best marksmen in the DCU

I know, yeah, he has great aim, but I meant that he has no senses, which gives DD the edge. Sorry, my writing is shit at this not-so-early hour.

Originally posted by Etrigan
Their feats match, but DD's senses bump him up over Batman's skills.

No exactly DD's senses can be a gift or a curse depending on the situation.

Plus Bats skills in anticipation are remarkable if not radarish in his own right. This fight is very close.

Strength is equal or Bats is a hair over.

Durability is equal or Bats is a hair over.

In speed/agility same for DD is a bit over.

Skill DD is the better pressure-pointer but not by much, but Bats is the better mixed martial artist.

Radar/Senses gives DD a slight edge with anticipation and accuracy. But Bats skill is no slouch in that department as well.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No exactly DD's senses can be a gift or a curse depending on the situation.

Plus Bats skills in anticipation are remarkable if not radarish in his own right. This fight is very close.

Strength is equal or Bats is a hair over.

Durability is equal or Bats is a hair over.

In speed/agility same for DD is a bit over.

Skill DD is the better pressure-pointer but not by much, but Bats is the better mixed martial artist.

Radar/Senses gives DD a slight edge with anticipation and accuracy. But Bats skill is no slouch in that department as well.

Ive never seen Batman presure point people like DD let alone Cap. Marvel street levelers are on another level IMO

Ive never seen Batman presure point people like DD let alone Cap. Marvel street levelers are on another level IMO

DD uses pressure points more commonly than Batman does but Bruce knows very lethal and unique techniques that few people in the world about or know how to use.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ive never seen Batman presure point people like DD let alone Cap. Marvel street levelers are on another level IMO

IIRC Bats pressure pointed a Green Arrow and paralyzed his arm or leg or some such. IIRC also Batman once talked about countering a certain pressure-point by a method of breathing.

Those are pretty impressive if they occurred, I remember seeing scans of those a long time ago.