Dormammu vs Tyrant (Depowered) vs Mephisto

Originally posted by leonidas
mephisto stalemated an angry galactus in hell. the only way g was able to escape was by threatening to absorb hell. power-wise, he was equal to galactus. dormmy is nowhere close to that without prep/PIS. tyrant needed FULL power to challenge galactus -- and STILL lost.

Galactus wasn't angry when he fought Mephisto in hell, He arrived to reclaim his property (Nova) Mephisto refused accepting and they battled Galactus stopped attacking because the SS pleaded of him to do so, It even says that Galactus doesn't pay any attention to the carnage around him (most likely unleashed by Mephisto) He then begins absorbing Mephistos Dimension, Not because he needed to do so in order to escape but because the Surfer (acting as Narrator) asked/pleaded of him to do so.

I found the fight

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Next.

I know everyone likes to bring this fight up, and well....here it is.

Galactus beating Mephesto in his own realm.
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Originally posted by leonidas
tyrant has never been shown to be able to absorb energy for sustence in the way galactus can.

It's a fact that Tyrant absorbs the biospheric energy from planets. Every planet that Galactus consumed made Tyrant scream out in pain. This happened right before their second confrontation.

didn't Galactus only absorb one? And it was rage not pain that made Tyrant screame out because it left a planet overall left for him to use.

Originally posted by King Kandy
False, Dormammu was perfectly fine, just BFRed into the shadow dimension (or whatever it was called.) And he was not amped at all, that is pure falsehood. In fact if you want to play that game, Eternity actually came out of the deal worse then Dormammu...

you're wrong. initially when written eternity DESTROYED dormmy.

http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangetalesv114621s209dl3.jpg

it wasn't til 2 or 3 years later that some writer revived him. and regardless -- your initial posit that dormmy was eternity level is utterly ridiculous. eternity CERTAINLY never came out the worse of the two! but you were at least right on one point -- he wasn't amped. too bad for him . . .

my point stands -- he was OBLITERATED by eternity and needed PIS to do what he did in that silly mini-series.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's actually a legitimate moment of pis, it's not the first time it happens in Marvel.

100% Canon though:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2006 - Eternity - bio)

i never once said it wasn't canon -- only that it was ridiculous and should never be brought up in serious discussion. 😉

Originally posted by Utrigita
Galactus wasn't angry when he fought Mephisto in hell, He arrived to reclaim his property (Nova) Mephisto refused accepting and they battled Galactus stopped attacking because the SS pleaded of him to do so, It even says that Galactus doesn't pay any attention to the carnage around him (most likely unleashed by Mephisto) He then begins absorbing Mephistos Dimension, Not because he needed to do so in order to escape but because the Surfer (acting as Narrator) asked/pleaded of him to do so.

I found the fight

😂

so you think he was HAPPY mephisto didn't want to give back ss or nova?? and he was 'not angry' when he screamed "SO SPEAKS GALACTUS!"

i'm sure he was thrilled he have his will questioned . . .

Originally posted by Sundipped
It's a fact that Tyrant absorbs the biospheric energy from planets. Every planet that Galactus consumed made Tyrant scream out in pain. This happened right before their second confrontation.

sweet. then you can show him devouring a planet ala galactus and getting stronger then, right? 😉 i don't think he was in pain, but rather po'd . . .

Originally posted by PowerCosmic
I wish I could post the scans, but I don't have the comic. I'm not sure, but the fight between Dormammu and Mephisto should be mentioned in Hellcat #1-3 2000.

may as well deal with all the 'facts' that have been strewn about this thread at once . . .

dorrmy NEVER battled mephisto in that mini. his army invaded hell and while the battle was going on satannish betrayed mephisto, and attacked him from behind. dormmy and satannish then trapped mephisto. later, mephisto, hela pluto and hellstrom 'froze' hell. this negated dormmy's powers because somehow he apparently needed the 'flames in hell' as a power source! 😂 once hell froze, dormmy and satannish high-tailed it out of there.

in your defense there were some allusions to dormmy's maybe being more powerful because he ruled ONE realm, while the devils split one, but mephisto was itching for a fight and dormmy used satannish to attack him rather than confronting him directly. dormmy was also careful not to invade hell until he was sure mephisto wouldn't know. mephisto was also shown as being quite confident that he could defeat dormammu in hell, but . . . who knows. in the end, they never touched each other.

i'll concede you that mephisto wouldn't 'own' him like i initially said, based on that series -- though it was very poorly written, obviously. in hell, it would be a close battle with a slight edge perhaps going to dormmy. in a better written book it's hard to say though.

Originally posted by leonidas
you're wrong. initially when written eternity DESTROYED dormmy.

http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangetalesv114621s209dl3.jpg

it wasn't til 2 or 3 years later that some writer revived him. and regardless -- your initial posit that dormmy was eternity level is utterly ridiculous. eternity CERTAINLY never came out the worse of the two! but you were at least right on one point -- he wasn't amped. too bad for him . . .

my point stands -- he was OBLITERATED by eternity and needed PIS to do what he did in that silly mini-series.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He wasn't obliterated. It was retconned later so he only got sent to the shadow dimension. He was revealed to be alive and fine, just in a different dimension. No worse for wear. He didn't come back to life, it was simply revealed that he'd never died in the first place. Eternity on the other hand was unconscious for two months. Dormammu just got sent to another dimension. Which one sounds worse?

obviously it was retconned. doesn't change what initially happened or more importantly the broad picture:

eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>dormammu.

but where are you getting that eternity was unconscious for 2 months??

Originally posted by leonidas
may as well deal with all the 'facts' that have been strewn about this thread at once . . .

dorrmy NEVER battled mephisto in that mini. his army invaded hell and while the battle was going on satannish betrayed mephisto, and attacked him from behind. dormmy and satannish then trapped mephisto. later, mephisto, hela pluto and hellstrom 'froze' hell. this negated dormmy's powers because somehow he apparently needed the 'flames in hell' as a power source! 😂 once hell froze, dormmy and satannish high-tailed it out of there.

in your defense there were some allusions to dormmy's maybe being more powerful because he ruled ONE realm, while the devils split one, but mephisto was itching for a fight and dormmy used satannish to attack him rather than confronting him directly. dormmy was also careful not to invade hell until he was sure mephisto wouldn't know. mephisto was also shown as being quite confident that he could defeat dormammu in hell, but . . . who knows. in the end, they never touched each other.

i'll concede you that mephisto wouldn't 'own' him like i initially said, based on that series -- though it was very poorly written, obviously. in hell, it would be a close battle with a slight edge perhaps going to dormmy. in a better written book it's hard to say though.

Hey thanks for the information. 😄 . I wish I had the comic though. The battle between Dormammu and Mephisto in hell would be a good battle too. Not sure who would win, but I'll place my money on Dormammu with a 6.5/10 chance of winning.

This brings me other questions. Did Odin fight Mephisto? If so, who won? How many times did they battle? (To see who's superior) I say this because Dormammu and Odin should be equal in strength (stalemated in Chess)

Originally posted by PowerCosmic
Hey thanks for the information. 😄 . I wish I had the comic though. The battle between Dormammu and Mephisto in hell would be a good battle too. Not sure who would win, but I'll place my money on Dormammu with a 6.5/10 chance of winning.

Originally posted by Lumby
dorm beat mephisto and sattanish in mephistos realm in the hellcat mini-series.

So Dormmy did fight Mephisto and beat him. Interesting 😎 Dormammu is a very ambitious person.

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

so you think he was HAPPY mephisto didn't want to give back ss or nova?? and he was 'not angry' when he screamed "SO SPEAKS GALACTUS!"

i'm sure he was thrilled he have his will questioned . . .

I take you have never seen Galactus angry. Annihilation #6 now that was a angry and very I might add Galactus.

This one was if anything annoyed, first by having his Herald stolen and then by Mephisto thinking that he could keep Nova.

because Feelings generally is beyond Galactus, Look when Tyrant toke Morg and Galactus came to retrieve him he looks pretty calm to me

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Tyrant/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3082_36.jpg

Originally posted by Utrigita
I take you have never seen Galactus angry. Annihilation #6 now that was a angry and very I might add Galactus.

This one was if anything annoyed, first by having his Herald stolen and then by Mephisto thinking that he could keep Nova.

because Feelings generally is beyond Galactus, Look when Tyrant toke Morg and Galactus came to retrieve him he looks pretty calm to me

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Tyrant/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3082_36.jpg

g often 'claims' to be beyond feelings/emotions, and yet succumbs to them often. he's shown caring for ss, anger, desire. he clearly is not beyond them. beyond that, i'll not argue semantics with you. he seemed pretty po'd at mephisto to me. not annihilation angry, but po'd nonetheless. interpret how you wish.

Originally posted by Lumby
dorm beat mephisto and sattanish in mephistos realm in the hellcat mini-series.

doh

not in any kind of personal combat he didn't. he DID take control over hell by turning satannish against mephisto. the attack that took out mephisto was a back attack from satannish that mephisto never saw. mephisto got wind that d was gonna attack hell so he joined his army with satannish's army. as the armies battled and satannish took out mephisto. it was later revealed that satannish was somehow created by dormammu for specifically this purpose of attacking mephisto at an opportune moment.

like i said, later, the other devils simply extinguished the flames in hell and d had to run home. that of course is ridiculous. the flames as power source is REALLY ridiculous, and the fact that mephisto needed help to freeze hell is EQUALLY dumb. he has complete control of hell and could have extinguished the fires at anytime, deprived d of power then killed him. that's why i said a well written battle could be very different. i still think it's a close battle if you throw out the nonsense about the flames . . .

anyway pc, thanks for bringing the series and events to my attention. i'd not heard about or read them before. i always like learning new things in the forum. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
g often 'claims' to be beyond feelings/emotions, and yet succumbs to them often. he's shown caring for ss, anger, desire. he clearly is not beyond them. beyond that, i'll not argue semantics with you. he seemed pretty po'd at mephisto to me. not annihilation angry, but po'd nonetheless. interpret how you wish.

Desire for SS eerk, and If he does so often against his own Heralds that had made a habit out of betraying him well... what exactly does po'd means???

Originally posted by leonidas

anyway pc, thanks for bringing the series and events to my attention. i'd not heard about or read them before. i always like learning new things in the forum. 🙂 [/B]

Your welcome Leonidas 😎 . You know alot more than I do lol 😆 . I'm still new to the Marvel/DC Universe 🙂 .

We have a tough battle between Dormammu and Mephisto. Add in Tyrant, and it becomes a great cosmic battle.

Not too sure who win this great battle now lol 😂 .

Honestly in this battle I have to give it to Dormammu! 🙂

B/c not only is he the ruler of a realm, but he actually can and has annexed other realm(s). As well as Challenge Eternity which is a HUGE feat in and of itself. Which I believe took place outside of his Dark Dimension.

Whereas Mephisto was Sufficiently rivaled w/in his own realm by Galactus, when he SHOULD be all powerful there. 😆

Depowered Tyrant seems more capable an opponent then Mephisto, seeing as Galactus openly challenged Mephisto in order to retrieve his Herald(s) (Nova & SS) while he was Hesitant to engage Tyrant in order to get back his herald Morg. 😛

Originally posted by leonidas

i never once said it wasn't canon --
only that it was ridiculous and should never be brought up in serious discussion. 😉

Eternity has been vulnerable before during another "Cosmic Axis Shift"
so again, it is a legitimate moment of "pis."

Dormy combined his powers with Umar btw,
which apparently boosted both their powers beyond what they are as individuals side by side.
Were they Eternity level combined? Nah, but the "Cosmic Shift" put them over the top.

I agree, without the Cosmic Shift, the feat would've been impossible,
but with the Cosmic Shift and Dormy/Umar combining powers,
they are more powerful than Eternity's totality (Multiverse)
as depicted on panel and corroborated in 3 separate official Marvel Handbooks.

That's a serious 100% canon fact.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool. But it will be brought up in serious discussions because it's canon. 😉

Eternity has been vulnerable before during another "Cosmic Axis Shift"
so again, it is a legitimate moment of "pis."

Dormy combined his powers with Umar btw,
which apparently boosted both their powers beyond what they are as individuals side by side.
Were they Eternity level combined? Nah, but the "Cosmic Shift" put them over the top.

I agree, without the Cosmic Shift, the feat would've been impossible,
but with the Cosmic Shift and Dormy/Umar combining powers,
they are more powerful than Eternity's totality (Multiverse)
as depicted on panel and corroborated in 3 separate official Marvel Handbooks.

That's a serious 100% canon fact.

spidey vs firelord is ALSO canon. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Honestly in this battle I have to give it to Dormammu! 🙂

B/c not only is he the ruler of a realm, but he actually can and has annexed other realm(s). As well as Challenge Eternity which is a HUGE feat in and of itself. Which I believe took place outside of his Dark Dimension.

Whereas Mephisto was Sufficiently rivaled w/in his own realm by Galactus, when he SHOULD be all powerful there. 😆

Depowered Tyrant seems more capable an opponent then Mephisto, seeing as Galactus openly challenged Mephisto in order to retrieve his Herald(s) (Nova & SS) while he was Hesitant to engage Tyrant in order to get back his herald Morg. 😛

i tend to agree more now than i did at the start of the thread. problem is that d is not CONSISTENTLY shown at those levels. 😬

anyway, cool thread. 😎

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