Dormammu vs Tyrant (Depowered) vs Mephisto

Originally posted by leonidas
spidey vs firelord is ALSO canon. 🙂

Spidey and Firelord is ridiculous pis,
because there was NO stipulation for Spidey winning.

Unlike the Dormy/Umar case where there was a legitimate stipulation.

Last time, then ... as you wish.

In Marvel's cosmology,
there is an event that seldom takes place where the Multiversal Axes,
aligns in such a way that it empowers certain beings to Multiversal levels.

In Dormy/Umar's case they had to combine their powers in conjunction with the alignment.

Here is ANOTHER case though where again, a pathetic being becomes Multiversal,
in fact, the full power of the Multiverse was in his hands during the Alignment:

🙂

I have two more cases (keeping scans to a minimum nowadays)
but this should clarify my point.

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Honestly in this battle I have to give it to Dormammu! 🙂

B/c not only is he the ruler of a realm, but he actually can and has annexed other realm(s). As well as Challenge Eternity which is a HUGE feat in and of itself. Which I believe took place outside of his Dark Dimension.

Whereas Mephisto was Sufficiently rivaled w/in his own realm by Galactus, when he SHOULD be all powerful there. 😆

Depowered Tyrant seems more capable an opponent then Mephisto, seeing as Galactus openly challenged Mephisto in order to retrieve his Herald(s) (Nova & SS) while he was Hesitant to engage Tyrant in order to get back his herald Morg. 😛

Dormammu is one person not to mess with, especially at his realm. He took out the Avengers and Defenders during the Avengers/Defenders war. Dormmy reverted Thor back to Donald Blake and Iron man back to Tony Starks with a wave of his hand.

Tyrant is also a monster. He took out Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill, Morg, Jack of Hearts and Ganymede all by himself. Also, not to mention battling whooping Thanos tale in a battle.

I'm not too sure who win between Dormammu and Tyrant. Tyrant is sick in combat, but Dormammu has shown to be capable in hand to hand combat since he battled an enraged Hulk and won. I wonder if Dormammmu's magic would benefit against Tyrant.

Originally posted by PowerCosmic

Tyrant is also a monster. He took out Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill, Morg, Jack of Hearts and Ganymede all by himself. Also, not to mention whooping Thanos tale in a battle.

Sorry for my bad english. 😂

you seem to think i'm arguing the canonicity of the arc. i'm not. but not all your references change the fact that the series was ridiculous in the extreme. MORE ridiculous or at least contrived even than spidey v firelord. in that sense -- the sheer silliness of both cases -- the analogy fits perfectly.

i'm not debating this issue though. please, feel free to reference it as often as you wish. just as i'll feel free to say it was a joke arc that should NEVER be referenced in any real discussion. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
obviously it was retconned. doesn't change what initially happened or more importantly the broad picture:

eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>dormammu.

but where are you getting that eternity was unconscious for 2 months??

Anyway Eternity was dormant until Juggernaut and Nightmare set him free by accident, and then he said he was in bonds for two months... so yeah.

Originally posted by leonidas

you seem to think i'm arguing the canonicity of the arc. i'm not. but not all your references change the fact that the series was ridiculous in the extreme. MORE ridiculous or at least contrived even than spidey v firelord. in that sense -- the sheer silliness of both cases -- the analogy fits perfectly.

i'm not debating this issue though. please, feel free to reference it as often as you wish. just as i'll feel free to say it was a joke arc that should NEVER be referenced in any real discussion.

Originally posted by Mr Master

This is inconsequential and irrelevant,
bad comparison friend.

Spidey and Firelord is ridiculous pis,
because there was NO stipulation for Spidey winning.

Unlike the Dormy/Umar case where there was a legitimate stipulation.

Last time, then ... as you wish.

In Marvel's cosmology,
there is an event that seldom takes place where the Multiversal Axes,
aligns in such a way that it empowers certain beings to Multiversal levels.

In Dormy/Umar's case they had to combine their powers in conjunction with the alignment.

Here is ANOTHER case though where again, a pathetic being becomes Multiversal,
in fact, the full power of the Multiverse was in his hands during the Alignment:

🙂

I have two more cases (keeping scans to a minimum nowadays)
but this should clarify my point.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Well if the retcon doesn't matter then I guess Beyonder is still at classic levels, huh?

Dormammu's power fluctuates in comics. Sometimes Dormammu can seem as a powerful threat, other times he is just a jobber. For example, Dormammu fighting Eternity is a feat in itself, since he did not fear Eternity or use any kind mechanism to fight him. Other times, Dormammu would lose badly, especially to Dr. Strange, who is less powerful than Dormammu (Dormammu lost to Dr. Strange in hand to hand combat).

Can we say that Dormammu is at least Skyfather? Remember he stalemated Odin in Chess. This occurred at Asgard, where Odin's power is at his greatest.

Has Mephisto fought anybody that is Skyfather and won? The same can be said about Tyrant. I don't know where to classify him. He seems to be skyfather or maybe a little above. This is just speculation.

Dormammu is conclusively above Skyfather.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well if the retcon doesn't matter then I guess Beyonder is still at classic levels, huh? No, Dormammu was NEVER destroyed. Everyone THOUGHT he was but as revealed later he was PERFECTLY FINE. Why you are clinging to the old retconned non-canon explanation is beyond me.

Anyway Eternity was dormant until Juggernaut and Nightmare set him free by accident, and then he said he was in bonds for two months... so yeah.

😂

i'm not 'clinging' to anything. i told you the first time they met eternity obliterated him. he did. i said eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dormmy. he is. i'd love to know what issue you're referencing btw. are you saying d BOUND eternity? again, i'd love proof. you SAY a lot, kk. you show nothing. almost ever.

and i'd love for you to show ANY proof that 'conclusively' places d above odin. because if i need to i CAN show proof that indicates/implies they are relative equals. though i've showed it in past threads so don't really feel the need to do so again. d's power is very inconsistently depicted. typically, he demonstrates power roughly equal to a skyfather. stop looking at just 40 year-old high end showings.

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

i'm not 'clinging' to anything. i told you the first time they met eternity obliterated him. he did. i said eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dormmy. he is. i'd love to know what issue you're referencing btw. are you saying d BOUND eternity? again, i'd love proof. you SAY a lot, kk. you show nothing. almost ever.

Originally posted by leonidas
and i'd love for you to show ANY proof that 'conclusively' places d above odin. because if i need to i CAN show proof that indicates/implies they are relative equals. though i've showed it in past threads so don't really feel the need to do so again. d's power is very inconsistently depicted. typically, he demonstrates power roughly equal to a skyfather. stop looking at just 40 year-old high end showings.

Originally posted by leonidas

and i'd love for you to show ANY proof that 'conclusively' places d above odin. because if i need to i CAN show proof that indicates/implies they are relative equals. though i've showed it in past threads so don't really feel the need to do so again. d's power is very inconsistently depicted. typically, he demonstrates power roughly equal to a skyfather. stop looking at just 40 year-old high end showings. [/B]

Going back to the chess battle, Dormammu actually got the upper hand. Odin was about to lose. Remember, this was in Asgard. So Odin is at his strongest. And Dormammu was winning. This says a lot about Dormammu's power. If the match had been at the Dark Dimension, Dormmy would surely win.

The reason why Dormammu, as well as a lot of villains, lose is because of their egos or some sort of interference that distracts them.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No Eternity did not obliterate him. It was retconned so that he only BFRed Dormammu. Seriously I don't understand why you keep trying to use that showing, it was the old, non-canon explanation that was proven to be false when Dr. Strange got his own series. Dormammu showed up and said "You may have thought I was obliterated, but actually I was in the shadow dimension the whole time! Hahahah!" He was never obliterated. And it was Nightmare that bound Eternity, Eternity was dormant after he fought Dormammu and so Nightmare bound him while he was dormant, and he was bound for two months=two month knockout on Eternities place.

I'd think knocking out Eternity for two months would be enough, or imprisoning a whole race of Destroyer-level beings.

i STILL have no idea where you get this notion that eternity was dormant or ko'd for 2 months. you're right in one regard -- it WAS nightmare you bound eternity. but, before nightmare somehow bound him, strange SPOKE with eternity. he most certainly was NOT dormant when nightmare captured him. in fact, he vanished before strange's eyes.

dormmy was cast into the realms unknown after challenging eternity and was trapped there -- even he thought forever -- until clea found and d and he used her to lure strange to the realm.

and one more time -- in direct conflict with eternity eternity>>>>>>>>d. even d admitted eternity had power beyond his comprehension.

if your sole claim that d>skyfather is the fact that he 'ko'd eternity for 2 months', you'll need to find some sort of evidence to back that up cuz i've never seen it. until such time, you literally have zero proof that d>odin. given all his defeats by strange and ancient one you're single, unsubstantiated claim isn't much.

and pc -- in that same issue it is implied that odin and d ALWAYS end in a stalemate. further testament that they are considered relative equals. nor do i think it would matter WHERE they played chess . . . 😬

Originally posted by leonidas

and pc -- in that same issue it is implied that odin and d ALWAYS end in a stalemate. further testament that they are considered relative equals. nor do i think it would matter WHERE they played chess . . . 😬

You are right Leonidas about Odin=Dormammu. They represent the forces of Order and Chaos. So their matches would always end in a stalemate.

Originally posted by leonidas
i STILL have no idea where you get this notion that eternity was dormant or ko'd for 2 months. you're right in one regard -- it WAS nightmare you bound eternity. but, before nightmare somehow bound him, strange SPOKE with eternity. he most certainly was NOT dormant when nightmare captured him. in fact, he vanished before strange's eyes.

Dr. Strange #182, Page 18:

"Ay, Nightmare, you bound me-- after my battle with Dormammu! But why should I not have allowed you-- when the months you held me were as nothing to me?"

Nightmare bound Eternity after Dormammu forced him dormant.

Originally posted by leonidas
dormmy was cast into the realms unknown after challenging eternity and was trapped there -- even he thought forever -- until clea found and d and he used her to lure strange to the realm.

Originally posted by leonidas
and one more time -- in direct conflict with eternity eternity>>>>>>>>d. even d admitted eternity had power beyond his comprehension.

Originally posted by leonidas
if your sole claim that d>skyfather is the fact that he 'ko'd eternity for 2 months', you'll need to find some sort of evidence to back that up cuz i've never seen it. until such time, you literally have zero proof that d>odin. given all his defeats by strange and ancient one you're single, unsubstantiated claim isn't much.

Originally posted by leonidas
and pc -- in that same issue it is implied that odin and d ALWAYS end in a stalemate. further testament that they are considered relative equals. nor do i think it would matter WHERE they played chess . . . 😬

Originally posted by King Kandy

Thor only perceived it as chess, it was actually a fight.

It would had been sick if we actually saw Dormammu and Odin battling out instead of it being a chess battle. What was the reason for Thor perceiving the battle between Dormammu and Odin as chess battle?
Was it because Thor couldn't grasp the power the two were unleashing?

Something like that. I think it said they were fighting on levels he couldn't perceive.

Mephisto, only because of the scenario.
By the time Mephisto joins in, Dormammu has beaten up Tyrant (and been minorly injured).
Mephisto then barely beats up Dormammu.

Someone either has to make a Dormy respect thread, or Tyrant wins. srug

Why does no one think Mephisto would win here?