would ESB vader vs Aotc anakin be longer than ESB vader vs esb luke?

Manslayer is a 100% right. Luke had only recieved lightning intended to torture him not kill him,Sidious wants Luke to realize he made a mistake by not turning to the darkside and staking his father's place. But Sidious never got to unleash his lightning that was intended to kill Luke due to Vader's betrayal.

I also find the idea of Luke >Vader due to the affects of lightning on them and how long they lasted 100% absurd. Vader is naturally weak against lightning in his suit,well guess what so was Darth Bane in his orbalisk armor but does the make ROTJ Luke better than Bane? NO!

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Manslayer is a 100% right. Luke had only recieved lightning intended to torture him not kill him,Sidious wants Luke to realize he made a mistake by not turning to the darkside and staking his father's place. But Sidious never got to unleash his lightning that was intended to kill Luke due to Vader's betrayal.

I also find the idea of Luke >Vader due to the affects of lightning on them and how long they lasted 100% absurd. Vader is naturally weak against lightning in his suit,well guess what so was Darth Bane in his orbalisk armor but does the make ROTJ Luke better than Bane? NO!

"and now young skywalker, you will die"

thus he was trying to kill him

and the fact that luke got up unafected by that speaks to his endurance

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Tell that to Thrawn.

Grand Admiral Thrawn believed the exact same thing, despite Captain Pellaeon's fervent warnings.

Of which there is no proof? Well, Joruus can on a whim freeze freeze over 37,000 men. This feat is only surpassed by Exar's freezing of the Senate.

This line of thought is ridiculous, Pyron. Palpatine himself has never been shown to "freeze over 37,000 men", is he now weaker than C'baoth?

Furthermore C'baoth could literally rip out chunks' of other people's brains and replace them with his own using just his telepathy.

This line of thought is ridiculous, Pyron. Palpatine himself has never been shown to "rip out chunks of people's brains and replace them with his own using just telepathy", is he now weaker than C'baoth?

Vader has nothing on C'baoth's demonstrated mental capabilities with the dark side.

The fact that Sidious was searching for a stronger candidate for his apprentice, happened to create C'baoth and thus be aware of his existence, and relegated him to guard dog status on some backward planet would seem to indicate that the Emperor didn't give two shits about C'baoth at all.

Oh and he brought down a fighter-class ship with just rocks using his TK.

Good for him. But to argue this point would be to argue that C'baoth rivals or surpasses the Emperor himself in acquired ability, as was clearly Zahn's intent when he created the character. Further canon has relegated C'baoth to the status of a powerful, insane dark Jedi who ultimately does not compare to the "two most powerful beings in the galaxy" (Death Star).

Originally posted by Man of Christ
all you do is rant and rave

Originally posted by Man of Christ

try calming down.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

since you agreed to the right to post on this forum you agreed to not bash other members. i have not bashed you yet you continue to bash me.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

try being a gentleman.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

the text said he had not been trained to resist it.

You just seem to forget the more powerful the individual, the higher his resistance is and luke as of ROTJ is no powerhouse and still weak in the force.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

i have not been trained to drive a car but if i get behind the wheel i could probably know somewhat what i am doing.

If i can't block a punch i'm not going to be able to endure it.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

in the case of luke even if you are arguing that the last bolt of lightening was intended to kill him, a normal human being would be dead after a few seconds of that.

Correct which only backs my point that he wasn't trying to kill luke at first seeing that human beings can tolerate a certain voltage of electricity flowing through their bodies.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

you saw how after a 1 second of dookus lightening AOTC anakin was out for a few minutes

Hell sidious was able to knock out yoda with one hit when he merely heckled yoda(when hes not even serious about killing him yet), luke, being FAR weaker than yoda was simply not knocked out or killed BECAUSE sidious was torturing him, not trying to fry him in the first place.

If you still can't understand this MOC then i highly suggest you quit acting like your even on the level of a newbie debater.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

but after siddious' killer lightening luke got up INSTANTLY merely sweating.

Originally posted by Man of Christ

and please, find better things to than to insult me.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
"and now young skywalker, you will die"

thus he was trying to kill him

and the fact that luke got up unafected by that speaks to his endurance

Look at the words highlighted in bold please. Notice the word NOW? That means he was NOT trying to kill him earlier.

Count Dooku being physically stronger than Anakin? Sidious was trying to kill Luke aboard the Death Star? Random Nutjob Clone #234 is more powerful than Darth Vader [and his master]? What the hell has happened to the people of this forum...

All in two threads?

Damn, I haven't seen this place so stupid since Numan was here.

Originally posted by Gideon
Count Dooku being physically stronger than Anakin? Sidious was trying to kill Luke aboard the Death Star? Random Nutjob Clone #234 is more powerful than Darth Vader [and his master]? What the hell has happened to the people of this forum...

The above should say "Count Dooku stronger than Obi-Wan" not "stronger than Anakin".

Originally posted by Faunus
All in two threads?

Unfortunately.

Damn, I haven't seen this place so stupid since Numan was here.

The dark times have returned.

Originally posted by Ivalice
.Look at the words highlighted in bold please. Notice the word NOW? That means he was NOT trying to kill him earlier.

To add onto this point, I think it is highly possible that even when the emperor intended to kill Luke he was holding back his full power and wanted Luke to die a slow and painful death. By this time Sidious has electrocuted many stormtroopers all at once, as well as the groups of prophets that resurrected darth maul to fight vader.

Not to mention we saw Mace Windu have trouble to gain the upper hand with on sidious's lightning with his saber. We see Yoda lose his lightsaber from blast of sidious's lightning,then we see the affects of the lightning on Yoda(who initially had difficulty repelling it before the two moved closer together) and sidious being hurled backwards and which would cost him thew duel. So here we have the two top jedi of the PT who both stronger than Luke had difficulty at some point with Sidious's lightning which was intended from the start to kill them. And I would say that OT lightning>PT lightning. So I really fail to see how it could be suggested that Sidious ever used his "unlimited power!" against Luke.

Absolutely correct. The Emperor has displayed a vast destructive ability with his Force lightning throughout the mythos. Consider Masters Yoda and Mace Windu. The former was the undisputed Grand Master of the entire Order and, according to the novelization, the most powerful light sider in history up until the advent of Luke Skywalker; the latter was the creator of the "deadliest" of all lightsaber forms that created a superconducting loop between himself and his dark side opponents. And both of them displayed intense difficulty in repelling the Emperor's Sith lightning. Yoda was able to summon the Force that, despite his size and age, he was able to overcome Darth Sidious and Count Dooku in their lightsaber locks, and found himself easily disarmed by the Sith Lord's single gout of lightning. Likewise, despite having leverage, greater mass, and the benefits of the superconducting loop on his side, Mace Windu was quite visibly struggling with the Emperor's lightning, even with the assistance of his lightsaber. This is the same Mace Windu who has displayed nearly peerless physical abilities when summoning the Force -- defeating Kar Vastor in melee combat and overcoming a contingent of super battle droids without his lightsaber -- and he found himself being forced back (indeed, the novelization's account details Windu's conclusion that the lightning was "too strong" for him). Meanwhile, we have Obi-Wan Kenobi (an inferior Force user and combatant than Windu or Yoda) deflecting Force lightning from Count Dooku, a very powerful Sith in his own right, with the assistance of his lightsaber without any visible effort.

When one takes into account the original trilogy, Palpatine was able to emit enough power to utterly annihilate fifty armed stormtroopers in the span of a few seconds, as well as reduce the forms of three powerful Sith acolytes to ashes with Sith lightning from one hand. If one takes into account his feats during Dark Empire, he was able to mortally wound two experienced Jedi Knights with single bursts and disable Leia Organa Solo, despite the incredible defense afforded to her by her unique connection to the Force. And this is when he was "barely able to walk in his festering body" (the New Essential Chronology) and where every usage of the Force brought him closer to death (Empire's End). Hardly his strongest hour.

While Luke Skywalker was a gifted Force user even as far as Return of the Jedi due to his natural affinity and supremely potent strength in the Force, it is illogical to assume that Palpatine was trying to kill him at all aboard the second Death Star.

Grand Admiral Thrawn believed the exact same thing, despite Captain Pellaeon's fervent warnings.

Exactly.

They both were wrong.

This line of thought is ridiculous, Pyron. Palpatine himself has never been shown to "freeze over 37,000 men", is he now weaker than C'baoth?

No. Becausw we have statements for Palpatine's position.
When comparing Joruus and Vader, we should go by feats. And by feats, C'baoth is stronger.

The fact that Sidious was searching for a stronger candidate for his apprentice, happened to create C'baoth and thus be aware of his existence, and relegated him to guard dog status on some backward planet would seem to indicate that the Emperor didn't give two shits about C'baoth at all.

A. Because Joruus was completely insane and thus worthless as an apprentice.
B. Because it's specifically noted in the books that Joruus got stronger under Thrawn. When on Wayland he had no way to flex his muscle and increase his power but with Thrawn and using his battle meditation his power vastly increased.

Good for him. But to argue this point would be to argue that C'baoth rivals or surpasses the Emperor himself in acquired ability, as was clearly Zahn's intent when he created the character. Further canon has relegated C'baoth to the status of a powerful, insane dark Jedi who ultimately does not compare to the "two most powerful beings in the galaxy" (Death Star).

The two most powerful beings in the Galaxy at that time you mean.
Many beings stronger than them, and I'm talking especially about Vader here, have emerged since then and C'baoth is one of those.

Originally posted by Ivalice
I am not "bashing" you. I am simply telling you to shut up because not only have i destroyed your posts but OTHER people are saying i am right.

That's not how this works at all.

I've told you countless times this week not to bash, which is what you're doing continually to every debator you don't like. I'm getting tired of it. An official warning to you, Ivalice. Next time it will be another temporary ban.

And Man of Christ? You're still instigating him. Knock it off or you'll be going down the same path.

Originally posted by Captain REX
That's not how this works at all.

I've told you countless times this week not to bash, which is what you're doing continually to every debator you don't like. I'm getting tired of it. An official warning to you, Ivalice. Next time it will be another temporary ban.

And Man of Christ? You're still instigating him. Knock it off or you'll be going down the same path.

i dont see how i am instigating him, i reserve the right to disagree?

Originally posted by Man of Christ
i reserve the right to disagree?

You have no rights. You're merely a cog in the grand machine of life. I am all powerful!

😐

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight

The two most powerful beings in the Galaxy at that time you mean.
Many beings stronger than them, and I'm talking especially about Vader here, have emerged since then and C'baoth is one of those.

If you read shadows of the empire(if it came from that source), it was stated that vader and palpatine are the most powerful individuals in the entire galaxy(when joruus was alive)

That might be becuase they actually owned it.