Sure:
1. Manifesting a larger amount of physical strength does not help you at all if you can not hit the opponent.
2. Ganon may be able to run quicker but all the necromancer will do is teleport and Ganon can not outrun an instant teleport.
3. Higher durability does not mean that the Necromancer has low durability. By not being hit, this compensates Ganon's advantage in endurance.
4. The number of spells in ones spellbook does not assist in battle. Going by that logic, a mighty warcraft warlock (Lore) would beat as good as any video-game character.
5. More destruction does little for an opponent that never/rarely will get hit. Destructive powers on a city scale helps not against one that can travel a city in less than a second.
6. More intellectual is not necessarily a massive advantage. The Necromancer is a perfect AI and therefore a strategical mastermind. If Ganon is a master at history/math/geography will not help him in a battle. Therefore is a brain overrated when fighting a perfect AI (Strategist)
7. Greater, but not the same. Just because his skills are greater, does not mean they are the same. Even though the Necromancer has lesser skills, his skills assist him more in the situation than Ganon's assist himself.
8. Experience does not mean anything against a perfect AI.
Originally posted by Becci1. All, the tele argument. Good thing Ganon has that too.
Sure:1. Manifesting a larger amount of physical strength does not help you at all if you can not hit the opponent.
2. Ganon may be able to run quicker but all the necromancer will do is teleport and Ganon can not outrun an instant teleport.
3. Higher durability does not mean that the Necromancer has low durability. By not being hit, this compensates Ganon's advantage in endurance.
4. The number of spells in ones spellbook does not assist in battle. Going by that logic, a mighty warcraft warlock (Lore) would beat as good as any video-game character.
5. More destruction does little for an opponent that never/rarely will get hit. Destructive powers on a city scale helps not against one that can travel a city in less than a second.
6. More intellectual is not necessarily a massive advantage. The Necromancer is a perfect AI and therefore a strategical mastermind. If Ganon is a master at history/math/geography will not help him in a battle. Therefore is a brain overrated when fighting a perfect AI (Strategist)
7. Greater, but not the same. Just because his skills are greater, does not mean they are the same. Even though the Necromancer has lesser skills, his skills assist him more in the situation than Ganon's assist himself.
8. Experience does not mean anything against a perfect AI.
2. He can match it with another instant teleport.
3. I said that with full equip he can near it. Ganon can tele, and can manually dodge more blows, he will be getting hit less.
4. It helps because he has greater versatility.
5. Has a Necro ever actually teleported a city's distance? And Ganon can also do this nifty trick where he pulls you in a direction where your motor functions are all fvcked up.
6. A "perfect" AI? Doesn't exist. Ganon was a king of warriors, and was a strategical genius, and master manipulator. The genuine article>some cheap robot.
7. Not really, Ganon can combine physical power with magic, like when he obliterate the Sage, or when in Seasons and Ages he rapidly teleports and strikes with his spear.
8. Sure it does, it beats the robot.
1. As swiftly? The Necromancer with the right gear can teleport several times per second.
2. Yes, but Ganon will be doing the hunting. He does not have future sight and can therefore not know where the Necromancer will teleport. Trough the fight will the Necromancer only flee from the other opponents. A fleeing teleporter is impossible to catch unless you can see ahead of time- for even if Ganon has the luck of landing next to the Necromancer, he require enough physical and mental reactiontime to punch before the necromancer disappears again.
3. The Necromancer will be using powerful, targeting spirit magic. it can not miss.
4. Flawed logic, but if you say so: Warcraft Orc Warlock will win against Ganon. The warlock has greater versatility.
5. He has and that ability of Ganon only works if he catches the target, or at least know where he is.
6. A perfect AI does exist in this fight. A strategical genious can not match strategical perfection. Sorry, but that is the case.
7. What you mean to say was "when he obliterate the Sage which we know nothing about, not power nor endurance"
8. How does experience beat perfection?
Originally posted by Becci1. So can Ganon, his tele is a fraction of a second and he usually appears to do one attack and then disappears again in the fight.
1. As swiftly? The Necromancer with the right gear can teleport several times per second.2. Yes, but Ganon will be doing the hunting. He does not have future sight and can therefore not know where the Necromancer will teleport. Trough the fight will the Necromancer only flee from the other opponents. A fleeing teleporter is impossible to catch unless you can see ahead of time- for even if Ganon has the luck of landing next to the Necromancer, he require enough physical and mental reactiontime to punch before the necromancer disappears again.
3. The Necromancer will be using powerful, targeting spirit magic. it can not miss.
4. Flawed logic, but if you say so: Warcraft Orc Warlock will win against Ganon. The warlock has greater versatility.
5. He has and that ability of Ganon only works if he catches the target, or at least know where he is.
6. A perfect AI does exist in this fight. A strategical genious can not match strategical perfection. Sorry, but that is the case.
7. What you mean to say was "when he obliterate the Sage which we know nothing about, not power nor endurance"
8. How does experience beat perfection?
2. Ganon has planetary awareness, he will be able to accurately perceive his moves. And all this teleporting you are talking about won't leave the Necro enough time to attack.
3. Flawed logic if there ever was. Ganon has many homing attacks. Guess he won't miss either. Ganon can teleport out of the way.
4. I love how you twisted my words. That was so clever of you. I said it helps him, and it gives him an advantage, which it does.
5. No, it just happens, he can do it in a moments notice, he pulls all beings within the area(even himself) into the dimension, only Ganon is fine, the opponent is not.
6. I prefer not to debate against something that does not exist. So this is basically Brainiac in the guise of a Necro vs. Ganon? Most intelligent decision ever, because we really know that Necros can actually form strategies like that in their brains that fast. 🙄
7. Once again, stop twisting the meaning of my friggin posts. I was giving examples of when Ganon has combined magic and physical power, and the Sages were then able to seal Ganon in the Twilight Realm, yet people assume they are frail and weak. Right. Since they don't have durability feats, they must be assumed as average, and show me a Necro disintegrating even an average human.
8. Perfect AIs don't exist, and I won't pretend they do.
1. Then please show me this.
2. The Necromancer will have a lot of time to attack, since just like his teleport is his spells instant.
3. I was talking about curses. They hit the target instantly. Not homing. The Bone Spirits can easily be dodged.
4. Not necessarily. An Orc Warlock has far greater versaility than Ganon and I do not think an Orc Warlock could defeat Ganon. No way. Having ten or having a thousand abilities will do no difference. What matter is what the different abilities does and how they help in a fight.
5. I would like to see this.
6. So you do not want to debate? We will stop right here then.
If your saying AI=Artificial Intelligence. Then it doesnt exist. Perfect that is. Specially in games. And the way TC created it didnt even sound right. Oh just cast spells as soon as its ends. That has not been shown in games and especially in a Diablo from what I have seen. But what ever. The BS implemented is not helping the Necromancer
Wow. They exist in a video game. Perfect AI has not have been shown in this video game or any other vidoe game. So no. You attempt at trying to be a smart ass failed misrebly. Prove me wrong by showing me footage of the AI in the game recasting spells right after a spell wears off. Cant can you. So please stop. When you try being a smartass. You usually end up making yourself look like a dumb one.
That was surprisingly hurtful for some reason.
Anyway, I do think that in a purely hypothetical fight such as: Necromancer (Diablo) Vs. Kratos, Siegfried, Ganon, Yoshimitsu and Hayabusa: A perfect AI could very well exist. It would be fiction, just like all the characters already are. A made-up player for a made-up fight.
Thank you for the hug 😄
In truth, I would not care much if you prove it or not. I am just trying to have the Necromancer not being underestimated. If he wins or not, I could not care less about. All I want is for him to have what credit he deserves.
I can also not see how purely hypothetical a Perfect AI could not control a fictional character. The rest of the thread is hypothetical already. Why not make the player hypothetical?
You two are right though. There is no such thing as a perfect AI. Perfection means flawless and there is nothing in existance that is flawless.