Jean Grey w/ Phoenix Force vs Ion

Jean Grey has absorbed the full power of the Phoenix Force (assume is the maximum power Phoenix) vs The strongest manifestation of Ion which might be classic Ion with Kyle (not sure)

Maximum power of Phoenix vs Maximum power Ion

Arena: Deep Space

To the death

No prep

IMO Phoenix is going to ruin Ion but idk too much about Ion. So tell me i'm wrong and debate!

Phoenix doesnt hold a candle to kyle wielding the ion force+starheart.

Looked up this starheart http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Starheart doesn't seem too impressive...

anyone have a compelling argument?

Classic Ion could control energy completely, even to the degree that he could travel time laterally and be countless places simultaneously. The power itself was even referred to as that of a god when Nero tried to obtain it first.

Current Ion power is nothing more than pure green lantern power amped without need for recharge. Where as classic was more like then entire Green Lantern Corps, Central Power Battery, and The Guardian's life forces merged together.

White Crown Phoenix IMO is the only one that could even bring a real fight to an experienced Classic Ion. And god only knows who would win that. So stalemate IMO.

P.S. Pretty sure I make this thread when I first started here. 😉

Nope wasn't me but still done plenty of times! http://www.killermovies.com/forums/search.php?action=showresults&q=title%3A%28Ion+vs+Phoenix%29&showposts=0

Ion.

The starheart is very impressive,but im mainly talking about classic ion+the starheart which=phoenix getting raped.

If this is classic Ion, then Ion for the win. Current Ion gets stomped.

Whoops about the repeat thread but i briefly looked over the other thread seems like Ion's greatest feat is time, matter, and energy manipulation. Jean can do all that jazz and much much more. Jean is one with the Phoenix Force the power of creation in the marvel universe what is Ion going to do? I think there is alot of support of Ion in the forums but none have said a credible/possible way Ion can hurt Phoenix.

Parallax who is alot weaker then classic kyle ion was a universal destroyer/multiversal maker who fought the spectre just fine,go read some comics really cause phoenix has no feats whatsoever to even remotely come close to stalemating classic ion let alone beating him.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Jean is one with the Phoenix Force the power of creation in the marvel universe

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Parallax who is alot weaker then classic kyle ion was a universal destroyer/multiversal maker who fought the spectre just fine,go read some comics really cause phoenix has no feats whatsoever to even remotely come close to stalemating classic ion let alone beating him.

He also was running low on power after that fight with the Spectre and was stopped by an arrow to the chest. Not to mention all the power he released to recreate the universe was absorbed and used to undo what he was trying to do while he was doing it. Waverider protected everybody he gathered by transporting them outside of time which is where the full power of the Phoenix resides. The Phoenix is the spark that precedes and ignites the big bang, finally consuming all that is.

Originally posted by LordKaos

The Phoenix is the spark that precedes and ignites the big bang,

finally consuming all that is.

That's hyperbolic comedy that's finally been put to rest on panel in FF#531-532. (2006)

Phoenix (any version) has never created even a single Universe on panel,
so PF being the "spark that ignites" anything is a falacy that was never proven on panel,
and finally dismissed on panel likewise.

Here's the REAL "Spark" that ignites the creation of the Marvel Universe through the Big Bang:

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Not only did the Alien Entity fold back all of Marvel's Space/Time

to it's Pre-Big Bang Void:

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But the Alien Entity/Reed created the "Spark" that ignites the Fires/Engines of Creation:

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And indeed, the Alien Entity even manipulated the "Spark" into motion:

"Let there be Light ... let the Universe itself ... become"

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Also,
Phoenix (any version) has NEVER destroyed all that is,
not even a single Multiverse,
not even two Universes simultaneously,
so Phoenix consuming "all that is" ... is simply more exaggerated hyperbole.

Phoenix has only destroyed a single Alternate Universe twice,
both occasions took place in What if issues.

If it hadn't been stated on panel by the Watcher (you seem to respect his knowledge and power any other time) within 616 (and by Reed), I'd beg to differ but since it is, I don't have to. Jim Jaspers never warped the omniverse but because Merlyn says he is a threat to it, you say he can. FYI Merlyn and Roma think everything is a threat to the omniverse or their roles as guardians of it would never have be to mentioned in the books. P.S. you don't have to come in here with scans of Merlyn, Japsers or any of that other crap as it would have nothing to do with the thread it was just an example. I've had you on ignore for countless months, I just thought reading your response might provide me with amusement it hasn't.

Originally posted by LordKaos

If it hadn't been stated on panel by the Watcher (you seem to respect his knowledge and power any other time) within 616 (and by Reed), I'd beg to differ but since it is, I don't have to.

Got it. durlaugh

Watcher and Reed stated that, (as in TALK, TALK, TALK)

While the Alien Entity (ON PANEL) actually did CREATE the "Spark" (in Reed's face)
AE did manipulate the "Spark" into initiating the Engines/Fires of Creation,
AE did merge with the Engines/Fires of Creation,
AE did remake the entire Marvel Universe using Reed's mind as a guide.
Officially making the Alien Entity the embodiment of the Engines/Fires of Creation,
who also creates the "Spark" that ignites the same Engines/Fires of Creation (Big Bang)

But be my guess and willfully ignore what I just PROVED up top with undeniable PROOF!

I CHALLENGE you to show us Phoenix "sparking" the creation of the Marvel Universe,
since that will be impossible,
how about a single Universe.

Originally posted by LordKaos

Jim Jaspers never warped the omniverse
but because Merlyn says he is a threat to it, you say he can.

Jaspers' 616's weaker counter-part (Jaspers 238)
actually thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

Merlyn fused the entire Omniverse into tiny crystals
to erase any Universe in the Omniverse he (or Roma/Staturnyne) wishes,
with the Celestial Nullifier:

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension,
by breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"

This isn't hyperbole either,
we've seen the Celestial Nullifier in action on panel (got those scans too if you wish)

So Matrix/Merlyn absolute Omniversal power < Jaspers 238
Jaspers 238 < Jaspers 616
it ain't that hard to tell. 🙂
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Omniversal warping by Jaspers!

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

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That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

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Originally posted by LordKaos

FYI Merlyn and Roma think everything is a threat to the omniverse or their roles as guardians of it would never have be to mentioned in the books.

And the CCU WAS indeed about to collapse the Omniverse on panel,
and Cobweb saw Jaspers literally doing it in a future where he wasn't stopped
by the only thing that ever defeated Jaspers 616 (Fury)

Originally posted by LordKaos

P.S. you don't have to come in here with scans of Merlyn, Japsers or any of that other crap as it would have nothing to do with the thread it was just an example.

Originally posted by LordKaos

I've had you on ignore for countless months,

I just thought reading your response might provide me with amusement it hasn't.

You're just upset cause you just got proven wrong lovely. (with On Panel PROOF)

Your Phoenix fanboyism is not that amusing either son.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So according to your logic,
hyperbolic statements > actual On Panel depictions of the action taking place.

Got it. durlaugh

Watcher and Reed stated that, (as in TALK, TALK, TALK)

While the Alien Entity (ON PANEL) actually did CREATE the "Spark" (in Reed's face)
AE did manipulate the "Spark" into initiating the Engines/Fires of Creation,
AE did merge with the Engines/Fires of Creation,
AE did remake the entire Marvel Universe using Reed's mind as a guide.
Officially making the Alien Entity the embodiment of the Engines/Fires of Creation,
who also creates the "Spark" that ignites the same Engines/Fires of Creation (Big Bang)

But be my guess and willfully ignore what I just PROVED up top with undeniable PROOF!

I CHALLENGE you to show us Phoenix "sparking" the creation of the Marvel Universe,
since that will be impossible,
how about a single Universe.

Jaspers' 616's weaker counter-part (Jaspers 238)
actually thwarted Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

Merlyn fused the entire Omniverse into tiny crystals
to erase any Universe in the Omniverse he (or Roma/Staturnyne) wishes,
with the Celestial Nullifier:

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension,
by breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"

This isn't hyperbole either,
we've seen the Celestial Nullifier in action on panel (got those scans too if you wish)

So Matrix/Merlyn absolute Omniversal power < Jaspers 238
Jaspers 238 < Jaspers 616
it ain't that hard to tell. 🙂
..................................................................................

Omniversal warping by Jaspers!

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

..................................................................................

That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

..................................................................................

That's funny,
because to date,
only Jaspers and a Cosmic Containment Unit,
has been a threat to the Omniverse according to Merlyn/Roma.

And the CCU WAS indeed about to collapse the Omniverse on panel,
and Cobweb saw Jaspers literally doing it in a future where he wasn't stopped
by the only thing that ever defeated Jaspers 616 (Fury)

I'll do what I wish, thanx.

Gibberish.

You're just upset cause you just got proven wrong lovely. (with On Panel PROOF)

Your Phoenix fanboyism is not that amusing either son.

WC Phoenix also has power over time, Phoenix has been shown to be capable of destroying a universe, has Ion?

Phoenix

Ion.

Originally posted by Estacado
Ion.

Sweet av and sig pal.

Ion FTW.