Jean Grey w/ Phoenix Force vs Ion

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I'm not going to let it get to that again. Trust me! lol

All thats relevant from HCT for this debate is the fact that Jean had total telekinetic control of a universe right down to the atomic level and her last handbook entry confirmed this as part of her powerset by talking of her ability to manipulate atomic structures on a universal scale. 🙂

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Doesn't contribute much to this fight though does it 🙂

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Doesn't contribute much to this fight though does it 🙂

It doesn't, but the way she manipulated the universe, you could tell that she can do more.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not gonna get into all of the ins and outs of whether you believe it was 616 or not, either way Phoenix manipulated the matter of an entire universe.

I dont care whether you believe it was 616 or not because for the purpose of this argument it really doesnt matter.

Even if it was an alternate future, thats merely the universe in a future state down the timeline. Still a universe, still a whole load of matter. 😱

Marvel agrees as shown by their updated bio listing telekinetic control of atomic structures on a universal scale as part of her powerset.

Thats all that matters here.

Cool. 🙂

Undeniably the Phoenix was holding the universe in the palm of her hand.

However two stones are thrown in the path.
If you agree its an alternate reality, its just that an a universe from an alternate reality.
If you agree it’s the 616 reality, for some that’s the equivalent of holding multiverse since the 616 reality servers as its foundation.

Regardless of how members view the above, after manifesting that universe, and intervening with its past. It not only holding a universe, but creating a diverge reality from ware it stemmed from.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Not gonna get into all of the ins and outs of whether you believe it was 616 or not, either way Phoenix manipulated the matter of an entire universe.

I dont care whether you believe it was 616 or not because for the purpose of this argument it really doesnt matter.

Even if it was an alternate future, thats merely the universe in a future state down the timeline. Still a universe, still a whole load of matter.

Marvel agrees as shown by their updated bio listing telekinetic control of atomic structures on a universal scale as part of her powerset.

Thats all that matters here.

I agree, a Timeline is a Universe.

So yes, obviously Phoenix is an absolute Universal power,
I've never demeaned that truth,
I only object to exaggerations.

Like Phoenix holding 616,
like Phoenix containing the power of Mkraan,
like Phoenix projecting the Excalibur Tower without a plot device (Interface Alignment)
or the biggest bull shit to date ... Phoenix is Multiversal. 😆
Other than that, I myself have proven Phoenix to be a Universal power,
so no one can say I've ever said otherwise.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree, WC Phoenix can repair a Timeline atomically (but so far, ONLY withIN the WHR)

I agree, a Timeline is a Universe.

So yes, obviously Phoenix is an absolute Universal power,
I've never demeaned that truth,
I only object to exaggerations.

Like Phoenix holding 616,
like Phoenix containing the power of Mkraan,
like Phoenix projecting the Excalibur Tower without a plot device (Interface Alignment)

Other than that, I myself have proven Phoenix to be a Universal power,
so no one can say I've ever said otherwise.

The "only in the WHR" comment is irrelevant because the feat as stated was achieved through her telekinesis, NOT some imagined powerup she received by stepping into the crystal. 😬

All whats stated on panel is that she has telekinetic control of all of those atoms. Nothing about a power boost therefore your comment is without merit.

Further highlighting the redundancy of that comment is the fact that her ability to perform such a feat via telekinesis was listed in her official bio within the abilities section.

So lets have no more talk of that here ok? Cool. 🙂

I cant be bothered to get into all of the other things you mentioned as theyre not necessary to do well in this debate. Responding to each of those issues just provides you with an excuse to copy and paste your old arguments into this thread. Not a chance! 😱

Good afternoon mate 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The "only in the WHR" comment is irrelevant because the feat as stated was achieved through her telekinesis, NOT some imagined powerup she received by stepping into the crystal. 😬

All whats stated on panel is that she has telekinetic control of all of those atoms. Nothing about a power boost therefore your comment is without merit.

Further highlighting the redundancy of that comment is the fact that her ability to perform such a feat via telekinesis was listed in her official bio within the abilities section.

So lets have no more talk of that here ok? Cool. 🙂

I cant be bothered to get into all of the other things you mentioned as theyre not necessary to do well in this debate. Responding to each of those issues just provides you with an excuse to copy and paste your old arguments into this thread. Not a chance! 😱

Good afternoon mate 🙂

👆 🤘

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The "only in the WHR" comment is irrelevant because the feat as stated was achieved through her telekinesis,
NOT some imagined powerup she received by stepping into the crystal.

The WHR is a HOSPITAL for Universes:

"Hospital White Hot"

So the question is, can Jean repair a Timeline (atomically) outside of this HOSPITAL? (WHR)

You have NO proof she can, but this is proof that as far as we know,
this is the only way for her to accomplish this task.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

All whats stated on panel is that she has telekinetic control of all of those atoms. Nothing about a power boost therefore your comment is without merit.

Nice try.

Can a surgeon operate outside a hospital without his tools? ❌

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Further highlighting the redundancy of that comment is the fact that her ability to perform such a feat via telekinesis was listed in her official bio within the abilities section.

Just like Phoenix saved Galactus. 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

I cant be bothered to get into all of the other things you mentioned as theyre not necessary to do well in this debate. Responding to each of those issues just provides you with an excuse to copy and paste your old arguments into this thread. Not a chance!

Originally posted by id369
[B]X-Men - Age of Apocalypse 06
Well, Jean not only stopped and reverted the explosion/contained the explosion. She saved the entire time line from being erased. And you thought she can only control an entire time line within the White Hot Room.
Bam….I mean BAM!
[/B]

BEFORE Jean entered the White Hot Room as stated, she TELEKINETICALLY amputated the future and absorbed it into the White Hot Room as shown on panel and as supported in many bios where the point is stated.

That alone sets the precedence for her to again do amazing things with her telekinesis, and that she does. ALL that is mentioned on panel is that the feat was achieved via telekinesis. Nothing about an imaginary powerup, therefore talking about the existence of one is totally unsupported mate. 😬

Marvels bios support the comic in their assessment that the universal scale feat was achieved by telekinesis as that is ALL that is shown.

Sorry mate, you win some lose some. Lets get back on with the debate now. 🙁

Originally posted by Mr Master

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Can a surgeon operate outside a hospital without his tools? ❌

Originally posted by Xplosive

Dude, do your own research and stop yankin crap from a respect thread.

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix atomically manipulating that Timeline?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix holding that Timeline in her hands?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix stopping a Universal nullifier from doing it's job?

She stopped some nukes in that scan. uhh, that's it. 😬
You know how many beings have prevented the eradication of a Universe,
without the need to manipulate said Universe?

Please.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂

Dude, do your own research and stop yankin crap from a respect thread.

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix atomically manipulating that Timeline?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix holding that Timeline in her hands?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix stopping a Universal nullifier from doing it's job?

She stopped some nukes in that scan. uhh, that's it. 😬
You know how many beings have prevented the eradication of a Universe,
without the need to manipulate said Universe?

Please.

Where anywhere in a Marvel comic is it stated Phoenix got a powerup within the crystal which enabled her to manipulate the universes atomic structure? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where anywhere in a Marvel comic is it stated Phoenix got a powerup within the crystal which enabled her to manipulate the universes atomic structure? 😖hifty:

OUch! Sup GS 😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

BEFORE Jean entered the White Hot Room as stated,
she TELEKINETICALLY amputated the future and absorbed it into the White Hot Room as shown on panel and as supported in many bios where the point is stated.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

That alone sets the precedence for her to again do amazing things with her telekinesis, and that she does. ALL that is mentioned on panel is that the feat was achieved via telekinesis. Nothing about an imaginary powerup, therefore talking about the existence of one is totally unsupported mate.

Again,

I never said she got a powerup,
I said she's only been able to perform that task withIN the WHR on panel,
and that's a fact.

The WHR is a HOSPITAL for Universes:

"Hospital White Hot"

So the question is, can Jean repair a Timeline (atomically) outside of this HOSPITAL? (WHR)

You have NO proof she can, but this is proof that as far as we know,
this is the only way for her to accomplish this task.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Marvels bios support the comic in their assessment that the universal scale feat was achieved by telekinesis as that is ALL that is shown.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Sorry mate, you win some lose some.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Where anywhere in a Marvel comic is it stated Phoenix got a powerup within the crystal which enabled her to manipulate the universes atomic structure?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Again,

I never said she got a powerup,

I said she's only been able to perform that task withIN the WHR on panel,
and that's a fact.

The WHR is a HOSPITAL for Universes:

"Hospital White Hot"

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂

Dude, do your own research and stop yankin crap from a respect thread.

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix atomically manipulating that Timeline?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix holding that Timeline in her hands?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix stopping a Universal nullifier from doing it's job?

She stopped some nukes in that scan. uhh, that's it. 😬
You know how many beings have prevented the eradication of a Universe,
without the need to manipulate said Universe?

Please.

What are you babbling about? First you claim that the phoenix can NOT, do anything to an entire time line, with out resorting to the White Hot Room.

Some one comes along an presents the evidence that refutes your previous comment. And you only abrupt with more frustrated comments?

My how the mighty fall in despair. 😘

Originally posted by Mr Master
Bull, Jean extracted Sublime from Beast's body, nothing more,
this did amputate the Future, but she never absorbed anything into the WHR,
then, when she enters the WHR, the amputated Future is in her hands.

You're still on this imaginary powerup, when I already explained myself,
I guess when there's no turn to take,
you repeat yourself in an attempt to sway attentions elsewhere.

Again,

I never said she got a powerup,
I said she's only been able to perform that task withIN the WHR on panel,
and that's a fact.

The WHR is a HOSPITAL for Universes:

Jean extracted Sublime from reality and then stated she had to telekinetically amputate that future, as she states that, the Here Comes Tomorrow reality disappearred and Jean was outside the crystal, outside the WHR.

On panel Jean used her telekinesis to manipulate the atoms of the universe. She performed this feat from the WHR, however on panel the feat was attributed to her telekinesis therefore your comment about "only in the WHR" is irrelevant.

Please get over it. 🙁

Originally posted by id369

What are you babbling about?

See, that's easy.

Originally posted by id369

First you claim that the phoenix can NOT,
do anything to an entire time line, with out resorting to the White Hot Room.

Some one comes along an presents the evidence that refutes your previous comment.

I know that bull shit came from you respect thread, and WHAT?

NOWHERE in that scan,
or ANYWHERE in that issue does Phoenix hold/manipulate that Timeline.

What the hell does Phoenix saving that Timeline,
have to do with her atomically repairing a Timeline like she did in Here Comes Tomorrow?

Absolutely NOTHING!

How about holding a Timeline?

Absolutely NOTHING!

I left the fantasies surrounding your thread alone duke,
you can continue to debate with yourself in it, all you wish.

Originally posted by id369

And you only abrupt more frustrations comments?

My how the mighty fall in despair.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂

Dude, do your own research and stop yankin crap from a respect thread.

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix atomically manipulating that time-line?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix holding that time-line in her hands?

Where, ANYWHERE in that scan,
do you see Phoenix stopping a Universal nullifier from doing it's job?

She stopped some nukes in that scan. uhh, that's it. 😬
You know how many beings have prevented the eradication of a Universe,
without the need to manipulate said Universe?

Please.

Not much about that thread, but dude, where did you see Galactus actually absorbing an Omniverse to use it as a feat (you literally did that and ranked Galactus based on that in your list)? Come on, man.
Where did you see MJJ actually collapsing an Omniverse (again, you were giving that as a feat, literally and used, again, to place MJJ in your list)?
So, Sinister said Phoenix saved an entire timeline, literally. And in this case, timeline was saved by Phoenix, the job was done. Or maybe he was just joking. But if you use that, we can also use Sinister words.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Jean extracted Sublime from reality
and then stated she had to telekinetically amputate that future,
as she states that,
the Here Comes Tomorrow reality disappearred
and Jean was outside the crystal, outside the WHR.

I see, so the Future was withIN Sublime:

😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

On panel Jean used her telekinesis to manipulate the atoms of the universe. She performed this feat from the WHR, however on panel the feat was attributed to her telekinesis therefore your comment about "only in the WHR" is irrelevant.

Which isn't surprising,
many entities are more versatile/powerful etc. withIn their own dimension.