Originally posted by Terryc250
WC Phoenix also has power over time, Phoenix has been shown to be capable of destroying a universe, has Ion?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I got a question is Ion stronger then Pyrallax? If so then I believe that Ion can win. Although if its the same Ion that fought Superman Prime then Omf forgetabout it
It's not the new Ion. The thread creator stated that we're using the most powerful forms of both characters.
Not really,he didnt have prep when he droped the spectre or when all the energy he used to make the new universe got turned against him,if your going to bring up external things phoenix gets her power from other people...parallax is easily in the universe destroying/making/more level and ion is way way above him.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Not really,he didnt have prep when he droped the spectre or when all the energy he used to make the new universe got turned against him,if your going to bring up external things phoenix gets her power from other people...parallax is easily in the universe destroying/making/more level and ion is way way above him.
Didn’t the destruction of the universe take place, because of the entropic energies at the end of time, that Parallax absorbed. Those entropic energies unleashed through out the time line, ware causing massive rifts that inevitably lead to the destruction of the universe.
I mean if I am not mistaken that is one of the reasons why, Parallax in Zero Hour operates on a higher scale, then its former and later counter parts?
Interesting Phoenix actively gets her powers from other people to perform its big feat(s)?
Phoenix takes energy from future generations to power herself doesnt she?,shes also never done universal destruction level feats without the whitehot room,parallax did use entropy to help bring the universe to the end point(even though he could have destroyed it himself)he did beat time trapper on his own power,he managed to practically stalemate a spectre who was actually trying to judge him and he had all the energy he spent making the new universe turned on him and only then did spectre win,its quite obvious he really didnt need entropy to do anything,ion is the central battery+starheart and ion entity instead of fear entity(which might also hamper the central battery energy)its quite easy to see him stomp phoenix.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Phoenix takes energy from future generations to power herself doesnt she?,shes also never done universal destruction level feats without the whitehot room,parallax did use entropy to help bring the universe to the end point(even though he could have destroyed it himself)he did beat time trapper on his own power,he managed to practically stalemate a spectre who was actually trying to judge him and he had all the energy he spent making the new universe turned on him and only then did spectre win,its quite obvious he really didnt need entropy to do anything,ion is the central battery+starheart and ion entity instead of fear entity(which might also hamper the central battery energy)its quite easy to see him stomp phoenix.
How often can you point out, Phoenix actively denying the future for generations to come? And then you have two comparison that are similar, yet are put out differently.
Parallax actively needs to go look for that energy, absorb it, and come back to fight.
While the Phoenix, is more or less abusing her cosmic role, to fuel her ambitious need to attain power. It’s a fuel source, Phoenix directly taps into versus Parallax who needs to seek it out. Lastly after Phoenix incident or revelation of such crude methods ware revealed by Galactus. Phoenix vowed to accept her its limitations, and never to seek out crude methods of attaining its limitless fuel source. So all feats, sans that revelations are undeniably Phoenix under its own power.
Originally posted by id369
How often can you point out, Phoenix actively denying the future for generations to come? And then you have two comparison that are similar, yet are put out differently.Parallax actively needs to go look for that energy, absorb it, and come back to fight.
While the Phoenix, is more or less abusing her cosmic role, to fuel her ambitious need to attain power. It’s a fuel source, Phoenix directly taps into versus Parallax who needs to seek it out. Lastly after Phoenix incident or revelation of such crude methods ware revealed by Galactus. Phoenix vowed to accept her its limitations, and never to seek out crude methods of attaining its limitless fuel source. So all feats, sans that revelations are undeniably Phoenix under its own power.
Originally posted by id369
How often can you point out, Phoenix actively denying the future for generations to come? And then you have two comparison that are similar, yet are put out differently.Parallax actively needs to go look for that energy, absorb it, and come back to fight.
While the Phoenix, is more or less abusing her cosmic role, to fuel her ambitious need to attain power. It’s a fuel source, Phoenix directly taps into versus Parallax who needs to seek it out. Lastly after Phoenix incident or revelation of such crude methods ware revealed by Galactus. Phoenix vowed to accept her its limitations, and never to seek out crude methods of attaining its limitless fuel source. So all feats, sans that revelations are undeniably Phoenix under its own power.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And what feats post that are anywhere close to destroying a universe/creating one,having that energy thrown back at yourself,and fighting the mother ****ing spectre...o yea none,phoenix is so overhyped and overrated it makes me sick she has like 2 actual good feats and everyone likes to put her on this ridiculous eternity+level pedestial.
Is the Spectre like Galactus or closer to the Living Tribunal. I know the spectre is crazy powerful.. what can he be compared to in marvel. In Phoenix respect thread it shows that Is the birth of reality and shapes reality to its own desires. Reality > Universes. She is omniversal capabe of doing fewats has humbled galactus (under what circumstances im not sure) but i have seen them one on one and Galactus self proclaimed his lose. Since Phoenix has virtually (i say vitually because she can consume all reality to acheive something but I don't think that energy is needed for anything but maybe trying to take on the infinites..anyway i digress) unlimited power and is connected with all. He says something like "I am exhausted from this battle and you havent even felt tired once." Galactus needs to go places and feed. Phoenix like someone else said is simple tapping into her energies of reality to acheive her goal.. hence the whole consuming future generation talk that galactus had with Phoenix. So She can beat Galactus and he is mad uber lol. The power of Ion is the Central battery power of Oa or something yeah? Is that comparable to the omniversal ho0me of the White room? To me ion can do what he wants with universe and phoenix is the actual life energy of all creation and destruction.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Phoenix takes energy from future generations to power herself doesnt she?,shes also never done universal destruction level feats without the whitehot room,parallax did use entropy to help bring the universe to the end point(even though he could have destroyed it himself)he did beat time trapper on his own power,he managed to practically stalemate a spectre who was actually trying to judge him and he had all the energy he spent making the new universe turned on him and only then did spectre win,its quite obvious he really didnt need entropy to do anything,ion is the central battery+starheart and ion entity instead of fear entity(which might also hamper the central battery energy)its quite easy to see him stomp phoenix.
1) The Phoenix Force itself is the life force of reality. The very energies of the Big Bang turned sentient. However universes in Marvel are closed systems. After the Big Bang, that is it, everything within a reality stems from the Big Bang. Life feeds on life, energy is transferred not created anew. By leaving its formless state and taking on sentience, the Phoenix avatar became a life form itself within that closed system and was therefore drawing those life energies back into itself, thereby depriving future generations of life. Thats what Galactus was saying to her. Before she was the sum of life, but as a sentient entity unto itself it was taking away fromn that whicj it celebrated, life!
That is why the Phoenix avatar abandoned sentience and just let Rachel tap into its power without it itself taking control.
So whereas Parallax was utilising the powers of others, the Force was only guilty of taking awai ITS OWN POWER from the system.
2)Parallax as stated on panel was using chronal energies to bring about a new reality. He was basically rewinding time and making alterations here and there to events to make events turn out how he wished. I.e Coast City wouldnt have been destroyed.
http://www.dccomics.com/heroes_and_villains/?hv=origin_stories/parallax&p=2
"Hal Jordan unleashed violence in a vain attempt to turn back time and restore coast city to life"
Rewinding and replaying time, making modifications here and there to events isnt as impressive as atomic control of an entire reality within the palm of your hand.
Parallax used Entropy to wipe out reality, not his own power and then he never recreated a reality off of his own back, he rewound time and intended to make changes to events, but he was defeated before he could achieve his goal.
Phoenix FTW 🙂