Exar's and Ulic's Powerup

Originally posted by Allankles
Now he's powerless? What happened to the powerful Ragnos you mentioned earlier that was too powerful for Tavion's body to contain? Ignoring that Ragnos was infused by an unknown amount of Dark side energy via the sceptre. Dark side energy that had been siphoned from dark side worlds and places, so he wasn't powerless (unless you want to ignore that he got an amount of dark side energy).

Kotor 2 is not an era it's a short period in time. By era I mean post Sith war to Shadow war era. In the mythos she's up there with Revan as the best of that particular era.

Considering she's gone off to fight the True Sith with Revan, it seems very unlikely she's vastly weaker than him like you claim repeatedly.

But really, you're both biased and I'm not taking anyone's side here because I disagree with both of you.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Considering she's gone off to fight the True Sith with Revan, it seems very unlikely she's vastly weaker than him like you claim repeatedly.

But really, you're both biased and I'm not taking anyone's side here because I disagree with both of you.

Except we have proof of Revan's superiority and we have no proof of the Exile being any kind of a powerhouse.

No, Obiwan wasn't an average Jedi. Bastilla was an average jedi with one innate ability, as was the exile. Having ONE abiltiy and NOTHING else under your belt doesn't make you anything special.

But her list of accomplishments speak for themselves. Technically speaking, and I've counted this, The Exile has killed more Sith than anyone, ever. In the whole of history.
There's also the fact that she beat a definate powerhouse, Kreia without any out side help. Said powerhouse also even admitted that the Exile was better than Revan, and I see no reson for her to lie.
And ONE ability, what the hell are you on!!! The Exile could learn every high end, barring instakills, techniques there are. And she could either learn Force crush (which has only been shown by high-enders like Vader and Windu) or Force Enlightenment, which no one else has shown. Not to mention that that 'one' ability that you talk about gives her unlimited potential, that she draws power from people around her and for her kills. But 'obviously' that ability sucks doesn't it. Who needs unlimited potential.

we have proof of Revan's superiority and we have no proof of the Exile being any kind of a powerhouse.

Where?

BTW, could someone define powerhouse, so I can adaquately fit the Exile in the definition.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
But her list of accomplishments speak for themselves. Technically speaking, and I've counted this, The Exile has killed more Sith than anyone, ever. In the whole of history.

Good job wasting your life away counting the number of Sith you fought in the game (which is probably a lie); it means absolutely nothing, because it's gameplay that changes every single time you play it. And again, if we're going by this kind of bullshit logic, Jaden Korr >>>> everybody.

Originally posted by Faunus
You people get dumber by the day, apparently.

Good job wasting your life away counting the number of Sith you fought in the game (which is probably a lie); it means absolutely nothing, because it's gameplay that changes every single time you play it. And again, if we're going by this kind of bullshit logic, Jaden Korr >>>> everybody.

ahahaha

Obviously I didn't bloody well count every sith in the game, I mearly guessed. Mabye I exaggerated when I said that I'd counted, but well, sue me. What I meant was that The Exile has killed ALOT of Sith. Including: The Sith assassins on Paragus, The Sith on Korriban (about 2 with Sion, more in the cave but may not count), The sith on Onderon, The sith on Telos, The Sith on the Ravager, the sith on Malachor V, Atris, Nihilus, Sion and Traya. What I'm trying to say is that no average person could ever stack up such a huge kill count, and that it shows her extraordinary battle prowess.
BTW, I don't relly know much about Jaden because I don't have that game, so your taunts are useless.

Anyway, this has gotten Way of topic so I think we should either agree to diasagree or you can just submit.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Obviously I didn't bloody well count every sith in the game, I mearly guessed. Mabye I exaggerated when I said that I'd counted, but well, sue me. What I meant was that The Exile has killed ALOT of Sith. Including: The Sith assassins on Paragus, The Sith on Korriban (about 2 with Sion, more in the cave but may not count), The sith on Onderon, The sith on Telos, The Sith on the Ravager, the sith on Malachor V, Atris, Nihilus, Sion and Traya. What I'm trying to say is that no average person could ever stack up such a huge kill count, and that it shows her extraordinary battle prowess.
BTW, I don't relly know much about Jaden because I don't have that game, so your taunts are useless.

Anyway, this has gotten Way of topic so I think we should either agree to diasagree or you can just submit.

Why would anyone submit when you have no argument?

Why would anyone submit when you have no argument?

Why do you speak when you clearly have no brain?

Coming from a constant troll of this forum who offers nothing intelligent to the debates, I find your insults absolutely hilarious.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Why do you speak when you clearly have no brain?

How can you speak if you have no brain? 😕

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, Obiwan wasn't an average Jedi. Bastilla was an average jedi with one innate ability, as was the exile. Having ONE abiltiy and NOTHING else under your belt doesn't make you anything special.

I already told you we've handled this before and all you gave in return were sweeping statements that demonstrated your lack of maturity. Bastilla isn't exactly average. The mere idea that she was sent to capture Revan and her powerful BM make her more than an average Jedi.

Now her powers in the force might have been average, but she was more than an average member of the Jedi order. Your inability to think in broad terms is your failing. Extend this broadness of thought to the Exile and it is quite clear that the word "average" is not nearly an accurate description for the Jedi Exile.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except accomplishments=/=power, and you can't guage the Exile's potential which is what you're trying to do.

Not surprising that you'd make general statements that aren't even related to what I'm saying. The Exile had great potential (thanks to her inate gifts and her wound), I'm not even trying to gauge the Exile's power/potential. I don't believe there's enough evidence for the Exile and Revan to clearly make the distinction of who has greater ability - given that they accomplished similar feats and were described metaphorically as having opposite force auras. I don't give a damn about assumed power levels.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Show me where Mandalore called her Revan's equal in terms of power...

Mandalore: "I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [The Exile]. With our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no match for you [the Exile]."

Mandalore compared them as warriors, so it's fair to say he considered the Exile, Revan's equal in combat. The problem is is that I've got supporting evidence and you've got nothing but your opinions on power levels.

double post.

Great post Allankes!!! (non-sarcastic)

However, I'd like to point out that there is evidence to surgest that Bastila was powerful forcewise too. I believe that when she talks of her induction into the order, bastila uses the words,' I was found to have strong force potential'. I also seem to recall that she believed herself to be stronger with the force than several masters of the time.
I'd also like to point out that:

a) She could keep up with Revan and gave her a tough battle, twice
b) She effortlessly stunned two of the most powerful jedi of the time (assumed)
c) She gained great darkside powers in a relatively short period of time
d) She was able to resist Malaks tortures longer than any other (can't remember where I heard this, but seems credible)
e) Out of all the Sith in Malaks order she was the one chosen as his apprentice, indicating that She was the most powerful. This is backed up by the Sith teaching that only the strongest should rule.

Originally posted by Allankles
I already told you we've handled this before and all you gave in return were sweeping statements that demonstrated your lack of maturity. Bastilla isn't exactly average. The mere idea that she was sent to capture Revan and her powerful BM make her more than an average Jedi.

Now her powers in the force might have been average, but she was more than an average member of the Jedi order. Your inability to think in broad terms is your failing. Extend this broadness of thought to the Exile and it is quite clear that the word "average" is not nearly an accurate description for the Jedi Exile.

Not surprising that you'd make general statements that aren't even related to what I'm saying. The Exile had great potential (thanks to her inate gifts and her wound), I'm not even trying to gauge the Exile's power/potential. I don't believe there's enough evidence for the Exile and Revan to clearly make the distinction of who has greater ability - given that they accomplished similar feats and were described metaphorically as having opposite force auras. I don't give a damn about assumed power levels.

Mandalore: "I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [The Exile]. With our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no match for you [the Exile]."

Mandalore compared them as warriors, so it's fair to say he considered the Exile, Revan's equal in combat. The problem is is that I've got supporting evidence and you've got nothing but your opinions on power levels. [/B]

No, you have 1 man's opinion, while we have sources detailing Revan's power. So as usual, you lose.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Great post Allankes!!! (non-sarcastic)

However, I'd like to point out that there is evidence to surgest that Bastila was powerful forcewise too. I believe that when she talks of her induction into the order, bastila uses the words,' I was found to have strong force potential'. I also seem to recall that she believed herself to be stronger with the force than several masters of the time.
I'd also like to point out that:

a) She could keep up with Revan and gave her a tough battle, twice
b) She effortlessly stunned two of the most powerful jedi of the time (assumed)
c) She gained great darkside powers in a relatively short period of time
d) She was able to resist Malaks tortures longer than any other (can't remember where I heard this, but seems credible)
e) Out of all the Sith in Malaks order she was the one chosen as his apprentice, indicating that She was the most powerful. This is backed up by the Sith teaching that only the strongest should rule.

One hell of a pitiful argument. Too many flaws to even go into

Perhaps Malak saw her affinity with battle meditation as too grand of an opportunity to pass up?

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Great post Allankes!!! (non-sarcastic)

However, I'd like to point out that there is evidence to surgest that Bastila was powerful forcewise too. I believe that when she talks of her induction into the order, bastila uses the words,' I was found to have strong force potential'. I also seem to recall that she believed herself to be stronger with the force than several masters of the time.
I'd also like to point out that:

a) She could keep up with Revan and gave her a tough battle, twice
b) She effortlessly stunned two of the most powerful jedi of the time (assumed)
c) She gained great darkside powers in a relatively short period of time
d) She was able to resist Malaks tortures longer than any other (can't remember where I heard this, but seems credible)
e) Out of all the Sith in Malaks order she was the one chosen as his apprentice, indicating that She was the most powerful. This is backed up by the Sith teaching that only the strongest should rule.

I'm sorry, but as Gideon has already pointed out, the only logical explanation as to why Malak chose the annoying, foolish Bastila as his apprentice was because of her impressive Battle Meditation ability.

The points you provided are, therefore, irrelevant.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
She was sent because of her BM abilities. NOTHING makes her a powerhouse. Being adept at BM doesn't make you powerful.

How was her BM going to help with destroying dark Jedi and Sith troops on Revan's flagship? How was it going to help - in succesfully capturing the Dark Lord Revan? Might it be that outside the masters she might have been the best they had? Implying that she wasn't exactly average?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
B]YOU claimed she was a powerhouse as was the Exile, and you were clearly talking about power. Now you are talking about a place in the jedi order? I don't think you lack reasoning skills so it's funny when you're sitting here trying to point out my inconsistencies. So sorry, but the exile is just "AVERAGE" in terms of power. We aren't debating her influence so stop playing stupid, or stop arguing. [/B]

You use assumed power levels I don't. My point was simply that when you think in broad terms Bastila is not exactly average. I don't think Bastila was a powerhouse, but "above average" is not synonymous with "powerhouse". And I didn't mean merely her place in the Jedi order.

Furthermore even though I described the Exile as a powerhouse in her era I never bothered to describe the extent of her powers except that her feats place her above some of the best force users in that era (namely Kreia and Immortal Sion).

Lastly, it's quite clear that by the same token Revan's powers haven't been given a clear description either except that his feats put him above some of the best force users of his era (namely SF Malak)

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You don't know anything about the exile's potential, and her "innate" gifts were only due to her being a wound in the force.

You sure as hell have been arguing the exile's power .

What does "only due to her being a wound" have to do with anything? Some characters powers are attributed to their natural gifts by the writers while for the others theirs powers are acquired in life.

As for the second part I answered it above.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
So Mandalore puts her in his league. Whoopty doo, this says what exactly?

This means that the primary source (Kotor 2 in this case) supports the idea that the Exile is on the same level as Revan.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, you have 1 man's opinion, while we have sources detailing Revan's power. So as usual, you lose.

That's the thing Revan's powers are no more detailed than the Exile's. POD only describes his knowledge on Sith rituals, the chronicles don't say anything we don't already know (that he was a gifted and powerful force user). I know the sources and take them into consideration.

Allankles just owned the hell out of your ass Darth Sexy.