Originally posted by Allankles
How was her BM going to help with destroying dark Jedi and Sith troops on Revan's flagship? How was it going to help - in succesfully capturing the Dark Lord Revan? Might it be that outside the masters she might have been the best they had? Implying that she wasn't exactly average?
You use assumed power levels I don't. My point was simply that when you think in broad terms Bastila is not exactly average. I don't think Bastila was a powerhouse, but "above average" is not synonymous with "powerhouse". And I didn't mean merely her place in the Jedi order.
Furthermore even though I described the Exile as a powerhouse in her era I never bothered to describe the extent of her powers except that her feats place her above some of the best force users in that era (namely Kreia and Immortal Sion).
Lastly, it's quite clear that by the same token Revan's powers haven't been given a clear description either except that his feats put him above some of the best force users of his era (namely SF Malak)
What does "only due to her being a wound" have to do with anything? Some characters powers are attributed to their natural gifts by the writers while for the others theirs powers are acquired in life.
This means that the primary source (Kotor 2 in this case) supports the idea that the Exile is on the same level as Revan.
That's the thing Revan's powers are no more detailed than the Exile's. POD only describes his knowledge on Sith rituals, the chronicles don't say anything we don't already know (that he was a gifted and powerful force user). I know the sources and take them into consideration.
Clearly not if you assume the Exile and Revan were equals.. Interesting why the Exile was just another general in Revan's army if they were equals.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Only before Malachor V. Afterwards she became one of the best capable of taking on legions of Sith and High-level Dark Lords.Even I can see that your arguments suck DS. Why don't you just give up. Continuing to argue when you have clearly lost is like a broken pencil.
Wow. Shit like that makes people wonder if you're a Noobaris troll or not. Since you've never offered anything on this forum that could be considered an argument, I suggest you pipe down and just troll these forums as you have been doing.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It doesn't imply she was anything but average. Have you read Ro2? There were 4 jedi against 2 sith, and 1 of them just sat there with his stupid BM.
Those are the circumstances of the situation she found herself in, doesn't change the fact that the Jedi chose her to lead the team that was to capture Revan. The Jedi clearly trusted her ability in combat.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Why wouldn't I use power levels? Isn't that the entire point for this star wars forum?
I didn't say you shouldn't.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You have always claimed that she was a powerhouse overall and equal to Revan. Since you failed to prove this assertion, drop it.
I've always stated that Kotor 2 provided supporting evidence that she may have been on the same level as Revan in overall combat prowess. Certainly there's little or no evidence suggesting otherwise.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except Malak WAS the best force user in the era next to Revan. If you want to argue overall force knowledge and mastery, that goes to Revan who learned ancient sith techniques to put into a holocron. The Exile simply does not compare.
Malak's power was never impressive enough to put him second in the era overall. Mainly because of the inclusion of Nihilus and Kreia into the mythos. He was a celebrated hero and undoubtedley powerful there' nothing suggesting he was more than that or any suggestion he was second best. What about Nihilus and Kreia's power? What about Kreia's wisdom and knowledge of the force?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Really? Like what? You have to prove your assertions Allankles, how many times do I have to tell you this? There is NOTHING natural about the exile, seeing as how you know NOTHING about her before she became a wound, so I suggest you concede this part as well, seeing as how you can't make an argument for it.
First of all how does being natural (or not) affect your actual potential? It's all fiction therefore it's all the same. The means by which a character arrives at their power is irrelevant. Ignoring all that the Exile in kotor 2 is all we're concerned with, she was pretty powerful at that point.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Clearly not if you assume the Exile and Revan were equals.. Interesting why the Exile was just another general in Revan's army if they were equals.
According to kotor 2 the Exile was a celebrated war hero, valued for her leadership and her ability in warfare. Good enough that she led the Republic fleet in the final battle of the Mando Wars (she was clearly the most capable military leader among the military men Revan mistrusted). We also know that Malak though a hero himself in that war had no tactical or strategic nuance.
Originally posted by Allankles
[B]Those are the circumstances of the situation she found herself in, doesn't change the fact that the Jedi chose her to lead the team that was to capture Revan. The Jedi clearly trusted her ability in combat.
I've always stated that Kotor 2 provided supporting evidence that she may have been on the same level as Revan in overall combat prowess. Certainly there's little or no evidence suggesting otherwise.
First of all how does being natural (or not) affect your actual potential? It's all fiction therefore it's all the same. The means by which a character arrives at their power is irrelevant. Ignoring all that the Exile in kotor 2 is all we're concerned with, she was pretty powerful at that point.
Um, because being a wound in the force isn't "natural", and she got her abilities from being a wound in the force. There's nothing that would make us assume she was above average before becoming a wound in the force.
Your right. BEFORE becoming a wound in the force she was merely a skilled general. However afterwards she does become a powerhouse. When she talks to one of the Masters she even says that she is more powerful now, 'but I can use the force again, even better than before'. And she's in a pretty good position to judge.